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Daily Double final table good shove or not?

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  1. Mac i11even Mac i11even is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:08pm)

    I'll start this out by saying ive been playing with villian since about 4 tables left he has been really lag. I guess also besides call/shove/fold. Could you please tell me the reasons behind your answers? Much appreciated.
    FullTiltPoker Game #21128481294: Daily Double - B (161303235), Table 61 - 4,000/8,000 Ante 1,000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:42:37 ET - 2010/05/26

    Seat 1: Iridium (78,437)
    Seat 3: hauk21 (136,764)
    Seat 4: rickyboy1 (357,034)
    Seat 5: MissChung1954 (194,654)
    Seat 6: Mac i11even (153,612)
    Seat 7: bray1970 (593,696)
    Seat 8: DeadSkins78 (189,351)
    Seat 9: pullmydigit (142,452)
    Iridium antes 1,000
    hauk21 antes 1,000
    rickyboy1 antes 1,000
    MissChung1954 antes 1,000
    Mac i11even antes 1,000
    bray1970 antes 1,000
    DeadSkins78 antes 1,000
    pullmydigit antes 1,000
    bray1970 posts the small blind of 4,000
    DeadSkins78 posts the big blind of 8,000
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mac i11even [Ah Qd]
    pullmydigit folds
    Mac i11even: destiny lol destiny
    Iridium has 15 seconds left to act
    pullmydigit: lol
    Iridium folds
    rickyboy1: unbeatable...him
    hauk21 calls 8,000
    rickyboy1 raises to 24,000
    MissChung1954 folds
    Mac i11even raises to 152,612, and is all in
    bray1970 folds
    DeadSkins78 folds
    hauk21 has 15 seconds left to act
    hauk21 folds
    rickyboy1 calls 128,612
    Mac i11even shows [Ah Qd]
    rickyboy1 shows [9s 9c]
    DeadSkins78: way to hang tough hawker
    *** FLOP *** [7s Tc 5d]
    *** TURN *** [7s Tc 5d] [7c]
    *** RIVER *** [7s Tc 5d 7c] [4d]
    Mac i11even shows a pair of Sevens
    rickyboy1 shows two pair, Nines and Sevens
    rickyboy1 wins the pot (333,224) with two pair, Nines and Sevens
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Duration 53s
    Total pot 333,224 | Rake 0
    Board: [7s Tc 5d 7c 4d]
    Seat 1: Iridium folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: hauk21 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: rickyboy1 showed [9s 9c] and won (333,224) with two pair, Nines and Sevens
    Seat 5: MissChung1954 folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Mac i11even (button) showed [Ah Qd] and lost with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 7: bray1970 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: DeadSkins78 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: pullmydigit folded before the Flop
  2. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:11pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    Easy shove. You have <20bbs, are up against a laggy player that is second in chips and is likely raising a very wide range.

    Flatting here would be awful. You'd commit 1/6 of your stack in a likely 3-way pot and would need to hit the flop in order to continue.

    You made the right play. Unlucky that you lost the flip.
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  3. Somepokerguy Somepokerguy is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:12pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    Folding is bad obviously.

    Flatting is bad because you'll be out of position vs an aggressive player and you'll miss the flop more often than hit so by flatting you're going to be check/folding most flops.

    With your stack size shoving is the clear winner, but I have a feeling you already know this and the only reason you are second guessing calling or folding is cause you lost. Focus less on the results and you'll win more.
  4. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:16pm) in reply to Somepokerguy

    In the future..........plz don't post results in Original Post.

    As results dont' matter for 1 certain situation.

    AQ is a must shove in this spot and don't think different because you lost the flip.
     
  5. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:18pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    NBA Jam
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  6. Mac i11even Mac i11even is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:19pm) in reply to Appst08

    Thanks I won't post results and also i think i have to listen to you ur from Boone NC and im assuming a fellow mountaineer lol
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  7. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:20pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    NBA Jam

    boooooooom shakalaka?
     
  8. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:21pm) in reply to Mac i11even

     
    Originally Posted by Mac i11even View Post

    Thanks I won't post results and also i think i have to listen to you ur from Boone NC and im assuming a fellow mountaineer lol

    Mac...feel free to PM me anytime with a certain question. Im pretty sure we have some mutual friends and wouldn't mind helping you out a bit
     
  9. Mac i11even Mac i11even is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:47pm) in reply to Appst08

    Wow thanks man i appreciate it
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  10. tamayo85 tamayo85 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:56pm) in reply to Appst08

     
    Originally Posted by Appst08 View Post

    boooooooom shakalaka?

    "its gotta be the shoes!!!" tho
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 4:59pm) in reply to tamayo85

     
    Originally Posted by tamayo85 View Post


    "its gotta be the shoes!!!" tho

    "he's heating up!"

    On an unrelated topic, good shove sir.
     
  12. Goal4Ziggy Goal4Ziggy is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 5:12pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    Jam is good, not a huge fan of that guy's call if you haven't gotten out of line. You can try raising to like 60-70k to look even stronger as well, but then lol if you somehow get flatted...
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 5:17pm) in reply to Goal4Ziggy

    The only other way to play this might be to three bet him pre with the intent of calling his reshove, or in that odd case he flats, shoving any flop. I think that might make your hand look a bit stronger, but either way hard to imagine how all the chips aren't going in with these hands.
  14. Somepokerguy Somepokerguy is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 5:26pm) in reply to winkie23

    Sorry but the 3 bet lines are horrible advice vs this type of player.

    Just get it in and ignore the results oriented lines/ideas. Your stack size + read makes it mandatory and trumps everything else.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 6:05pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    shove good.

    result bad.
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 7:48pm) in reply to tyson219

    id be jammin for sure , u have 20bbs u dont have any options but fold or jam and since he has been aggro good chance u might not even get called and if ur called doesnt mean u have to be in horrible shape to chipup, u got to jam and hope u can win the flip here, gl
     
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 7:57pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    shove every time

    and that's coming from a former appstate student, so i gotta be right
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 8:13pm) in reply to EyeKnows

     
    Originally Posted by EyeKnows View Post

    shove good.

    result bad.

    pretty much sums it up
     
  19. Mac i11even Mac i11even is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 10:51pm) in reply to brent212

     
    Originally Posted by brent212 View Post

    shove every time

    and that's coming from a former appstate student, so i gotta be right

    Lol touche to you sir.
    I guess my concern is where is this a solid shove and where do I need to instead make a 3-bet? (ie how many bb's would i need for a 3-bet? like 25 or more like 30)
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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 11:00pm) in reply to Mac i11even

    never folding, flip to win
  21. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    May 27th, 2010 (5/27/2010 11:17pm) in reply to Mac i11even

     
    Originally Posted by Mac i11even View Post

    Lol touche to you sir.
    I guess my concern is where is this a solid shove and where do I need to instead make a 3-bet? (ie how many bb's would i need for a 3-bet? like 25 or more like 30)

    never 3-bet/fold
     
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    May 28th, 2010 (5/28/2010 3:02am) in reply to EyeKnows

    shovel dovel
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    May 28th, 2010 (5/28/2010 8:38am) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    easiest NBA Jam ever

    dont be results oriented, you win that hand 50% of the time, so dont feel bad.
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