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Deep in $100 mtt on sunday.. lil help

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  1. Harry Oxx Harry Oxx is offline

    Pawtucket, RI
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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 5:06pm)

    So this hand has been bothering me for a few days.. I think the villian is a hs reg and im wondering if he would cold 4-bet me here considering the situation. Were both top 4 or 5 in chips with 2 tables left

    pokerstars Game #39050328330: Tournament #281110857, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (3500/7000) - 2010/02/01 0:27:13 ET
    Table '281110857 71' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: JP OSU (363413 in chips)
    Seat 2: HarryO44 (277040 in chips)
    Seat 3: madbak (287927 in chips)
    Seat 4: madh_18 (231970 in chips)
    Seat 5: 88Arsonist88 (286124 in chips)
    Seat 6: TLWPB (215724 in chips)
    Seat 7: PurpleHazze (16466 in chips)
    Seat 8: donnysack (496420 in chips)
    Seat 9: barcs69 (271076 in chips)
    JP OSU: posts the ante 700
    HarryO44: posts the ante 700
    madbak: posts the ante 700
    madh_18: posts the ante 700
    88Arsonist88: posts the ante 700
    TLWPB: posts the ante 700
    PurpleHazze: posts the ante 700
    donnysack: posts the ante 700
    barcs69: posts the ante 700
    HarryO44: posts small blind 3500
    madbak: posts big blind 7000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HarryO44 [Qc As]
    madh_18: folds
    88Arsonist88: folds
    TLWPB: folds
    PurpleHazze: folds
    donnysack: folds
    barcs69: folds
    JP OSU: raises 7975 to 14975
    HarryO44: raises 23025 to 38000
    madbak: folds
    JP OSU: raises 324713 to 362713 and is all-in
    HarryO44: folds
    Uncalled bet (324713) returned to JP OSU
    JP OSU collected 89300 from pot
    JP OSU: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 89300 | Rake 0

    He had raised it in the same spot last orbit, so i felt he was bluffing when he made his original raise, but does he really 4bet me here because im a random. Either way i wished i had called because this hand below happened very shortly after for the chip lead.

    PokerStars Game #39050443359: Tournament #281110857, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (4000/8000) - 2010/02/01 0:32:20 ET
    Table '281110857 71' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: JP OSU (414613 in chips)
    Seat 2: HarryO44 (259740 in chips)
    Seat 3: madbak (255927 in chips)
    Seat 4: madh_18 (214970 in chips)
    Seat 5: 88Arsonist88 (317024 in chips)
    Seat 7: PurpleHazze (48132 in chips)
    Seat 8: donnysack (464354 in chips)
    Seat 9: barcs69 (270376 in chips)
    JP OSU: posts the ante 800
    HarryO44: posts the ante 800
    madbak: posts the ante 800
    madh_18: posts the ante 800
    88Arsonist88: posts the ante 800
    PurpleHazze: posts the ante 800
    donnysack: posts the ante 800
    barcs69: posts the ante 800
    HarryO44: posts small blind 4000
    madbak: posts big blind 8000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HarryO44 [Qs Qd]
    madh_18: folds
    88Arsonist88: folds
    PurpleHazze: raises 39332 to 47332 and is all-in
    donnysack: calls 47332
    barcs69: folds
    JP OSU: raises 56001 to 103333
    HarryO44: raises 155607 to 258940 and is all-in
    madbak: folds
    donnysack: folds
    JP OSU: calls 155607
    *** FLOP *** [3d Ks 4h]
    *** TURN *** [3d Ks 4h] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [3d Ks 4h 8s] [Kh]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    HarryO44: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
    JP OSU: shows [Ad Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
    JP OSU collected 423216 from side pot
    PurpleHazze: shows [Jh Kd] (three of a kind, Kings - lower kicker)
    JP OSU collected 203728 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 626944 Main pot 203728. Side pot 423216. | Rake 0
    Board [3d Ks 4h 8s Kh]
    Seat 1: JP OSU (button) showed [Ad Kc] and won (626944) with three of a kind, Kings
    Seat 2: HarryO44 (small blind) showed [Qs Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
    Seat 3: madbak (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: madh_18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: 88Arsonist88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: PurpleHazze showed [Jh Kd] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
    Seat 8: donnysack folded before Flop
    Seat 9: barcs69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Obviously he goes on to win the 27k for 1st.
    Comments on either hand would be much appreciated. Thankyou
     
  2. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 5:10pm) in reply to Harry Oxx

    1. tough situation. He could definitely be 4betting light, or shoving 88-JJ and you're flipping. The decision for me really depends on how the villain was responding to 3 bets. If he never 4bet, I fold. If he was frequently 4betting, I consider a call. Given you're both top 4 stacks, I think you're better off folding and focusing on abusing the smaller stacks.

    2. standard.
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  3. ApesAreFun ApesAreFun is offline Moderator/Euro Donk

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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 6:24pm) in reply to Harry Oxx

    Hand #1: Have a plan for the hand. Dont just 3-bet because you got AQ. You just turned your hand into a bluff. If you're not prepared to call the 4-bet, then just smoothcall pre and re-evaluate the flop.

    Hand #2: Standard.
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  4. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 6:39pm) in reply to ApesAreFun

    Call first shove 2nd...UL on 2nd.
  5. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 7:50pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    I don't mind either play at all.

    First hand you should be 3-betting AQ oop 100% of the time here. I probably would call JP OSU's 4-bet shove since he is really good (making him wider than a random player). It is very close, though, and I don't mind a fold as much as everyone else.

    I would flat AQ with these stacks against a random or noted bad player oop or against JP OSU if I was ip. Flatting a player of JP OSU's caliber oop with AQ is giving him a license to own you. So I think 3-bet/call = 3-bet/fold > flatting >>>>>> open folding.

    Second hand I'm doing the happy dance. NH UL GG.
     
  6. flmodesq21 flmodesq21 is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 10:34pm) in reply to Harry Oxx

    { } Cold 4 bet
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  7. jshark4 jshark4 is offline

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    Feb 6th, 2010 (2/6/2010 11:39pm) in reply to Harry Oxx

    dont 3bet unless ur planning on calling a 4bet imo. ur not deep enough to be 3betting here and turning AQ into a bluff. so call 1st hand, and 2nd hand ul.
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