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DEEP 5.50 cubed-To shove or not to shove??? ADVICE PLEASE

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  1. feltmelter feltmelter is offline

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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 11:25pm)

    Ok so villian has a ton of chips and he has raised my BB from the cuttoff the last
    4 orbits(and i do mean every time for the last 4 orbits). So i have 10k at 400/800
    and im pretty sure hes prolly never folding after raising it to 2k given my stack. So
    are you calling here knowing that your usually ahead. Or are you folding because your stack is more effective to be openshoving, rather than take what is likely a small edge here ...(also we're like 15 people from the money)

    pokerstars Game #28512376895: Tournament #163921405, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2009/05/22 23:11:20 ET
    Table '163921405 31' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: franco162 (12730 in chips)
    Seat 2: aspjr208 (29620 in chips)
    Seat 3: FeLtMeLtEr (11035 in chips)
    Seat 4: worthits (12470 in chips)
    Seat 5: T-bull (15595 in chips)
    Seat 6: tiwest2 (39432 in chips)
    Seat 7: quigs01 (28738 in chips)
    Seat 8: rasheed02 (32984 in chips)
    Seat 9: calidre (68368 in chips)
    franco162: posts the ante 100
    aspjr208: posts the ante 100
    FeLtMeLtEr: posts the ante 100
    worthits: posts the ante 100
    T-bull: posts the ante 100
    tiwest2: posts the ante 100
    quigs01: posts the ante 100
    rasheed02: posts the ante 100
    calidre: posts the ante 100
    aspjr208: posts small blind 400
    FeLtMeLtEr: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to FeLtMeLtEr [6c Ac]
    worthits: folds
    T-bull: folds
    tiwest2: folds
    quigs01: folds
    rasheed02: folds
    calidre: raises 1200 to 2000
    franco162: folds
    aspjr208: folds
    FeLtMeLtEr: ?????????????????

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  2. 27utg 27utg is offline

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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 11:27pm) in reply to feltmelter

    shove
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    May 22nd, 2009 (5/22/2009 11:55pm) in reply to feltmelter

    I assume his raises have always been 2.5x, so there's no read there (as opposed to, let's say, 4x, so this time he's acting like he wants action).

    Therefore, we think he's raising your blinds really loose, so we're ahead of his range...there's a bunch of equity already in the pot...you'll need to double up soon to get anywhere close to deep...and you're asking if you shouldn't get your money in? Really?

    Of course you should shove. I'm sorry you lost to K-10.
     
  4. feltmelter feltmelter is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 12:43am) in reply to grapsfan

    I understand Im usually ahead of his range here. But the fact that hes never folding really sucks considering my hand doesnt play THAT well vs his range. I guess i was just wondering whether avoiding this spot to be open shoving with fold equity during the next couple orbits would be a better plan....
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  5. feltmelter feltmelter is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 1:11am) in reply to feltmelter

    bizzzump
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  6. Psimp7 Psimp7 is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 1:15am) in reply to feltmelter

     
    Originally Posted by feltmelter View Post

    I understand Im usually ahead of his range here. But the fact that hes never folding really sucks considering my hand doesnt play THAT well vs his range. I guess i was just wondering whether avoiding this spot to be open shoving with fold equity during the next couple orbits would be a better plan....

    You can't assume that he is ALWAYS calling, even though he should be if he is going to raise here. If your chip stack has been about the same the past 4 orbits I doubt he had a hand every time he raised your bb so A6cc is probably ahead of his range, plus the small percentage of time he folds to your shove a shove is my play.
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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 2:18am) in reply to Psimp7

    bumpage
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  8. ntanygd760 ntanygd760 is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 2:34am) in reply to feltmelter

    shove and high five the fact you can get called by worse
     
  9. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 2:56am) in reply to feltmelter

    against calidre im folding. i was just playing with him for 3 hours and hes such a nit. he musta been cardracked at your table. he was running at like 9-8 over 300 hands
     
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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 3:05am) in reply to feltmelter

     
    Originally Posted by feltmelter View Post

    I understand Im usually ahead of his range here. But the fact that hes never folding really sucks considering my hand doesnt play THAT well vs his range. I guess i was just wondering whether avoiding this spot to be open shoving with fold equity during the next couple orbits would be a better plan....

    The way I see it, if he is going to call with every hand he raised there (as opposed to only calling with hands that have you crushed, a bigger ace or PP, and folding hands you are ahead of), then it's even a bigger case for a push.

    Either way, against an aggro player I'm pushing this all day.
     
  11. feltmelter feltmelter is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 4:00am) in reply to pikappraider78

     
    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

    against calidre im folding. i was just playing with him for 3 hours and hes such a nit. he musta been cardracked at your table. he was running at like 9-8 over 300 hands

    yep he showed KK......
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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 12:47pm) in reply to feltmelter

    why do you think he's never folding?

    he has to call 9k more and there's only like 5k in the pot, he def can be folding a tonnn of hands.

    sure, you dont' have the greatest hand, but if he's opening that wide, you do well enouhg when he calls and he's folding enough that it makes it a profitable shove

    jam is def fine
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  13. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    May 26th, 2009 (5/26/2009 8:05pm) in reply to feltmelter

    Shove because you have just enough to make him fold, but not so much that your risk/reward profile is bad. Plus you likely have the best hand.

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    May 27th, 2009 (5/27/2009 1:01am) in reply to Jennifear

    shipping is fine, but a matter of preference and your read on your opponent's opening range.

    I personally don't like shipping axs, but you can. If he's calling with worse, this is good for u.
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