i know that homeboy kaketka is a thinking player/reg, his flat sent off alarms in my head obv...AQ cant be good here right?

Full Tilt Poker Game #13641082428: $750,000 Guarantee (96293695), Table 282 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:38:32 ET - 2009/07/26
Seat 2: AsMetzmagnyAs (86,199)
Seat 3: kwob20 (73,100)
Seat 4: slyfoxtbb (28,967)
Seat 5: calisfinest123 (21,810)
Seat 6: Quirmbach (86,649)
Seat 7: Petie_BigStacks (46,080)
Seat 8: harbour2006 (25,012)
Seat 9: KaKeTKa (61,886)
AsMetzmagnyAs antes 200
kwob20 antes 200
slyfoxtbb antes 200
calisfinest123 antes 200
Quirmbach antes 200
Petie_BigStacks antes 200
harbour2006 antes 200
KaKeTKa antes 200
slyfoxtbb posts the small blind of 800
calisfinest123 posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Petie_BigStacks [As Qd]
Quirmbach has 15 seconds left to act
Quirmbach folds
Petie_BigStacks has 15 seconds left to act
Petie_BigStacks raises to 3,880
harbour2006 folds
KaKeTKa calls 3,880
AsMetzmagnyAs calls 3,880
kwob20 folds
slyfoxtbb folds
calisfinest123 calls 2,280
*** FLOP *** [Qh 4d 5d]
calisfinest123 checks
Petie_BigStacks has 15 seconds left to act
SONJAQUEEN sits down
SONJAQUEEN adds 27,067
Petie_BigStacks bets 10,000
KaKeTKa has 15 seconds left to act
KaKeTKa raises to 57,806, and is all in
AsMetzmagnyAs folds
calisfinest123 folds
Petie_BigStacks has 15 seconds left to act
Petie_BigStacks has requested TIME
Petie_BigStacks ???

yea perhaps, but keep in mind that theres 2 people to act behind him...that being said, its pretty much flush draw or im dead right?

this is inanely tough - kaka likes to overshove his flopped sets/overpairs etc, but at same time he also likes to spew and jam fairly random stuff here too.

 

Originally Posted by swd805

I dont think id fold. But id like to take into acct how aggro kateka has been. If his preflop game was a lot of 3betting then id maybe fold, but if hes been kindof straightforward preflop then i think ur gonna see a lot of hands u beat, but not by much.

he just got moved to my table. so im not sure what his preflop tendencies were

this seems like you have to grit your teeth and call

sometimes youll be behind but i think your ahead a lot here.

definetly pretty sick spot

 

Originally Posted by anticure

maybe im terrible but theres no chance im folding here ever...

This pretty much summed up my thoughts exactly. I don't play tourneys on Full Tilt much, but when I'm playing on stars which I assume isn't that different, people seem to raise me around 50% of the time I make a continuation bet. I can't imagine they usually have TPTK beat... Obviously it's a feeling about the individual player, but given you went into the hand with under 30 BB's and flopped top pair, top kicker with this much in the pot, I can't imagine finding a fold.

 

Originally Posted by Dead Money Dom

i dont ever fold here.

 

Originally Posted by byoonz

I agree with you that you're beat a lot. When I first read this post in the day while I was playing, I said to myself that I would call for sure. But after looking at it closer, I notice now that one of the guys left to act has him covered and it's not your effective stack that is being played on the flop. Since you know he's not a random player or anything, I think it's fine to fold here although it kinda sucks.

YES someone agrees haha

 

Originally Posted by threeven

 

Originally Posted by JDsmith9

I typed in the chat box, "uhhh i guess i fold top top" and his reply was: : /

which makes me think he had kings at the very minimum..

lol sounds an awful lot like you folded the best hand to me

nah im pretty much 100% sure that i didnt fold the best hand but ok

So you invested 1/3 of your stack, and turned tptk into a bluff by bet/folding to the shove of a cbet on a drawy board...

 

Originally Posted by JDsmith9

.haha definitely the longest ive thought about any decision in a hand this entire year so far,

mustve been a long 30 sec :)

bad fold sir, you suck at poker

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hahaha im really confused tho, if he does the face doesnt that mean he was pissed that i folded top top...whats wrong with bet folding in this spot? what else am i gonna do?

lets break it down again. he TURBO shoved over my bet. with a covering stack behind him, his range has to be something like...

KQ, diamond draw, AQ, KK, AA, and sets

edit: and he never has KQ here because he would never TURBO jam over my 10k lead into 3 other people with KQ

 

Originally Posted by threeven

 

Originally Posted by JDsmith9

I typed in the chat box, "uhhh i guess i fold top top" and his reply was: : /

which makes me think he had kings at the very minimum..

lol sounds an awful lot like you folded the best hand to me

My question: Why bet 1/4 of your stack on the flop if you are going to fold to a raise? I think you are pot committed here (but likely behind).