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Deep and deep stacked in 3+ Rush WWYD?

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  1. jsagan77 jsagan77 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:13am)

    Like the title says it's a 3 rebuy rush. I run into this scenario a lot and was wondering what you all would do in this situation?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #28354226758: $32,000 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (220226604), Table 104 - 1400/2800 Ante 350 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:02:02 ET - 2011/02/19
    Seat 1: andreas757 (138,309)
    Seat 2: Francky4Fingerz (204,084)
    Seat 3: LUx83 (181,365)
    Seat 4: Slaner28 (29,084)
    Seat 5: TheHurricAAne (285,463)
    Seat 6: pikkilopete (285,965)
    Seat 7: MarcoMorais (179,833)
    Seat 8: Sulypampas (314,653)
    Seat 9: jsagan77 (230,547)
    andreas757 antes 350
    Francky4Fingerz antes 350
    LUx83 antes 350
    Slaner28 antes 350
    TheHurricAAne antes 350
    pikkilopete antes 350
    MarcoMorais antes 350
    Sulypampas antes 350
    jsagan77 antes 350
    Francky4Fingerz posts the small blind of 1,400
    LUx83 posts the big blind of 2,800
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jsagan77 [Ah As]
    Slaner28 folds
    TheHurricAAne has 8 seconds left to act
    TheHurricAAne has timed out
    TheHurricAAne folds
    pikkilopete folds
    MarcoMorais raises to 7,382
    Sulypampas calls 7,382
    jsagan77 raises to 22,400
    andreas757 folds
    Francky4Fingerz folds
    LUx83 folds
    MarcoMorais calls 15,018
    Sulypampas calls 15,018
    *** FLOP *** [Ks 2s 4s]
    MarcoMorais checks
    Sulypampas bets 14,000
    jsagan77 calls 14,000
    MarcoMorais has 15 seconds left to act
    MarcoMorais raises to 157,083, and is all in
    Sulypampas folds
    jsagan77 ?????
  2. BMad524 BMad524 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:24am) in reply to jsagan77

    Abso Shove.

    Am I missing something? Top pair with nut flush draw. Are you putting him on pocket Kings?
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:31am) in reply to BMad524

    Couldn't imagine what he'd be shoving with this deep that doesn't have me crushed, do you?
    Edited By: jsagan77 Feb 20th, 2011 at 02:32 AM
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  4. MRosenello MRosenello is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:32am) in reply to jsagan77

    Im snap calling here.
  5. grandmamoneybags grandmamoneybags is online now

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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:33am) in reply to MRosenello

    i mean yea your even money to a set not sure how you don't get it in. UL if his set holds. Although i'd try to be the one making the last bet not calling here.
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:34am) in reply to grandmamoneybags

    yeah I'm still calling
  7. jsagan77 jsagan77 is offline

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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 2:48am) in reply to gents

    Absolutley this is a great flop for my hand and as played I want both players in this pot but once he shoves, it looks exactly like he's shoving to protect a set or making me pay to draw out on his baby flush. Can we call profitably this deep stacked in this spot?
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 3:12am) in reply to jsagan77

     
    Originally Posted by jsagan77 View Post

    Absolutley this is a great flop for my hand and as played I want both players in this pot but once he shoves, it looks exactly like he's shoving to protect a set or making me pay to draw out on his baby flush. Can we call profitably this deep stacked in this spot?

    A baby flush does not come along for that preflop action. Neither does 24, K2, K4 and rarely 22 or 44. KK sure could. But even then you've got 12 outs to a monster stack that will put you in great position to win the tournament.

    Think about what else he could have other than hands that are ahead. He could have AK often, in which case you have him mauled.
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 12:23pm) in reply to BMad524

    I didn't think so either, but I call and he flips over 44.... The crap thing about it is that three hands earlier I had QQ beat by JJ for another huge pot and that drove my decision to call but in hind sight it was the wrong call. No one in their right mind is ever bluffing here. Best case scenario he has KQ with the Qs. Maybe AK a small percentage of the time. I think KK, 22 and 44 are in there even though they should be folding 22 and 44 to my 3 bet.... Pretty tilting to be that deep and lose two 80/20's after running like absolute garbage all day long.

     
    Originally Posted by BMad524 View Post

    A baby flush does not come along for that preflop action. Neither does 24, K2, K4 and rarely 22 or 44. KK sure could. But even then you've got 12 outs to a monster stack that will put you in great position to win the tournament.

    Think about what else he could have other than hands that are ahead. He could have AK often, in which case you have him mauled.

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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 12:34pm) in reply to jsagan77

    Please never ever ever ever fold this. In a 3$ tourney this guy could have literally anything(KQ, KxQs, AK, KJs, KJ, hell he could even have complete air with a random spade if hes stupid just trying to make a play). Cant isolate his range to 22 44 and even if he has that you still have outs.
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 12:58pm) in reply to bighaley21

    never folding..top pair with the nut flush draw.usually villian has top pair with the flush draw, KQ,KJ..
    he would have shove pre with KK. so maybe a set.

    but even if he has a set.u can still catch up..

    just ul that the deck ran out i guess..
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 1:02pm) in reply to SSG

    Raise to 31,500 preflop.
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 4:29pm) in reply to ukaliks

     
    Originally Posted by ukaliks View Post

    Raise to 31,500 preflop.

    There's nothing wrong with my 3 bet sizing..
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 5:01pm) in reply to jsagan77

    Tough luck sagan.
    Hes gambled pre flop & its paid off big time.
    Its the same old story, its hard to apply logic in the micros.
    You see hands played all the time, that take your breath away, their so bad.
    So when your faced with a decision like this, its are they decent or a complete idiot, take your pick!
    You sorta know your beat, but it makes you press the trigger anyway.
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 5:37pm) in reply to ukaliks

     
    Originally Posted by ukaliks View Post

    Raise to 31,500 preflop.

    nice level
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    Feb 20th, 2011 (2/20/2011 7:10pm) in reply to rayfox111

    Yeah, Ray. I think you summed it up nicely. It's really just a spew or the nuts and I got buzz sawed. Rush tourney's don't leave you a lot of time to deliberate either so I normally go with my first notion and that was to call. Had I taken a second I probably would have folded but I still agree that a fold is bad, But in this situation where I'm so deep I think i can make up for it... Unulcky I guess..

     
    Originally Posted by rayfox111 View Post

    Tough luck sagan.
    Hes gambled pre flop & its paid off big time.
    Its the same old story, its hard to apply logic in the micros.
    You see hands played all the time, that take your breath away, their so bad.
    So when your faced with a decision like this, its are they decent or a complete idiot, take your pick!
    You sorta know your beat, but it makes you press the trigger anyway.

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