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Deep in DNG: fold turn or call and fold river?

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  1. KingBustYou KingBustYou is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2011 (3/23/2011 12:16pm)

    Villain was pretty tight playing 23/9 over 23 hands. before I came to the table he had doubled up from 10x w AQs vs QQ and when I was at the table he 3bet shoved 20x w 99 otb vs co raiser (AK). After that nothing significant. Villain's a brand new player on stars having only played 8 mtt's since march 19th, 2$(+)-$17, Sunday Million, DNG and $162 without cashing.
    Although I was playing 26/26 over 23 hands at the table, I had only showndown strong hands shoving A3s w 10x from co and doubled vs sb's KJo and 4betshoving AK and doubling up again. Afterwards I raised twice without any callers.
    So I open 88 utg and the flop comes 2d7d5s, I tank bet half pot (due to bad connection in my living room) and he instacalls. Then he 2/3 potbets when the 2s turns. It screamed like he hit trips. So apparently I decided to reshove nearly 30x to get the bad news (he had K2o). So should I have called the turn and fold the river if villain shoved? Folding turn would sound wrong to me and even if I'd called the turn – folded river, I'd still have 20x to play with. Is there any merit in reshoving turn vs strong drawing hands here?
    I really feel bad about this hand because I feel like I punted my chips away, cuz I was 15/86 and you never know what could happen.

    Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1250/t2500 Blinds + t250 – 8 players
    TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
    ATTACKOBERT (BTN): BB = 24.5, t61231
    theNERDguy (SB): BB = 34.2, t85397
    AceOddity (BB): BB = 39.5, t98875
    Hero (UTG): BB = 42.2, t105516
    sportselect (UTG+1): BB = 34.0, t85056
    richmancan1 (MP1): BB = 39.5, t98798
    eduardhun (MP2): BB = 46.5, t116270
    rodeorick (CO): BB = 8.1, t20363
    Pre Flop: (t5750) Hero is UTG with 8 8
    Hero raises to t5475, 6 folds, AceOddity calls t2975
    Flop: (t14200) 2 7 5 (2 players)
    AceOddity checks, Hero bets t7791, AceOddity calls t7791
    Turn: (t29782) 2 (2 players)
    AceOddity bets t20000, Hero raises to t92000 all in, AceOddity calls t65359 all in
    River: (t200500) 6 (2 players – 2 are all in)
  2. pugglelino pugglelino is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2011 (3/23/2011 1:32pm) in reply to KingBustYou

    You spunked your chips away mate. When you re-raise turn, what better hands are folding. Some people may be able to get away from 99-JJ (if he called pre with them) but most won't. What worse hands will call? Guessing a 7 should be able to work out he's beaten. Call the turn and decide whether you think he's got a worse hand when he shoves river. Answer: very, very unlikely. He should be able to put you on at least an overpair (and should also consider possibility of you having FH which you'd probably call turn with), and you have the worst overpair, so you are beat.

    FWIW, 23/9 (though on a small sample) is passive pre. If he's passive post (reasonable to assume) his river shove is v v unlikely to be a bluff.
    Edited By: pugglelino Mar 23rd, 2011 at 01:38 PM
     
  3. killingbird killingbird is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2011 (3/23/2011 2:39pm) in reply to pugglelino

    i might fold turn, but I am DEF folding river.
     
  4. KingBustYou KingBustYou is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2011 (3/23/2011 3:12pm) in reply to killingbird

    yeah, I guess I short circuited for a moment. Knew what I was going to do wouldnt get called by less and that villain prolly binked the turn. Just a moment of stupidity.
    It's probably better to fold the turn as you know you're gonna face a big bet on the river. I just needed the confirmation that it was a bad move and I didnt find the discipline to fold there. My own fault.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Mar 23rd, 2011 at 03:18 PM
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