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Deep in Foxwoods event. Did I give off a tell?

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  1. msteitz12 msteitz12 is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2007 (11/4/2007 2:00pm)

    Please help me to analyze where I went wrong...Or, did you like my thought process?

    50 players remaining at Foxwoods $1500 event. 40 get paid. My stack = 51k which is about average. we're at 800/1600 with 200 ante. levels are 45 min long i believe.

    I'm in the BB in the 1 seat. Action folds to 8 seat, who limps into pot for 1600. He is a confident middle aged live player, who I've seen playing high stakes cash games. The 10 seat completes the BB. The 10 seat is "Bfineman" a very good player who has great live results. I happened to play with him in an event this summer and know that he loves to bully with a big stack.

    The 8 seat has an average stack as well and has been at my table for 3 hrs now. He hasn't gotten out of line once and has open limped 6 times so far. I've raised his limp on 2 previous occasions and he has folded quickly. Bfineman has 90-100k. He was moved to the table about 1 hr ago and has been very active.

    I look down at As 2s. I think this is a good opportunity to pick up dead money. I raise to 6k. The 8 seat immediately folds as expected. Ben thinks for a good 15 seconds be4 making the call. The flop brings rags. something like 8 5 3 different suits. Ben checks and I think the only opportunity I have to win this pot is by betting now. I decide to bet it hard to represent an overpair. I haven't played a pot with Ben yet and haven't played a pot in at least 2 orbits. As I lead out with 12k I think 2 myself (here comes the checkraise). Ben thinks for a good min or 2 (seemed like forever) As he is thinking I am shuffling chips with my right hand. I am calm as I am exhausted. I feel like I am exuding confidence..

    Ben then says all in. I know he doesn't want a call, but what can I do? I shake my head and muck my hand. He flips A10 to show the bluff. I definitely got involved with the wrong player.

    ...Did my chip shuffling look like a tell? He pwned me regardless. So I'm now a sort stack, but am able to claw my way into the money. However, this was such a pivotal hand for a lot of chips and I was never able to double up after this.

    Congrats to Ben Fineman on making the final table. Well played sir.
     
  2. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2007 (11/4/2007 2:12pm) in reply to msteitz12

    bens good, it was obv to me u didnt have anything, that old donk in the 8seat was really fuckin up the table flow or w/e

    didnt really have a problem with your raise bc u had been playing tight since luke and i had been moved there

    i believed u had AK but if u really had A2 then its not a bluff when ben showed AT and id have just checked in pre from the BB and hoped to flop big and dub vs. the donk
     
  3. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2007 (11/4/2007 3:26pm) in reply to msteitz12

    I'd rather steal here with suited connectors or king high than ace rag... check and hope to see a big flop. You're close to position anyway, so you might take this down with a flop bet, better to represent hitting a big flop than represent an obvious steal into a tricky big stack. If limpy-nit happens to hit a big flop and raises you, so be it.
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    Nov 4th, 2007 (11/4/2007 8:24pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

    60% of the time, it works every time. I don't know about a tell but I agree with Stupor about seeing the flop for cheap. :D GL
     
  5. brsavage brsavage is offline Spontaneous Benefactor

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 9:40am) in reply to msteitz12

    "I'm in the BB in the 1 seat. Action folds to 8 seat, who limps into pot for 1600. He is a confident middle aged live player, who I've seen playing high stakes cash games. The 10 seat completes the BB"

    Were you multi accounting?
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  6. msteitz12 msteitz12 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 11:31am) in reply to brsavage

    Yeah, stupor and waters... In hindsight I'm kicking myself for spewing those chips by not seeing the flop. Definitely, a leak in my game... I def had credibility pre-flop as darkcheck stated, but I still left myself open for a checkraise on a raggedy flop.

    Brsavage, I don't get your reference... I'm a little slow
     
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  7. Sugar D Sugar D is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 11:42am) in reply to msteitz12

    I'm posting in this thread only to mention that I finished 2nd in this event.

    Also, Bax likes my sneakers.
     
  8. kowboy8686 kowboy8686 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 11:48am) in reply to msteitz12

    cuz u know i watch u a good amount...heres a guy that loves to abuse the bubble...because he hates being ss post bubble...he knows u r solid and u r not gonna donk off on a soso hand...he is playing the percentages he thinks hes 50-50ish to be ahead another small chance for you to throw out the better hand as well as a chance of drawing out if u call and are ahead...but hell yes any different behavior by you a top live player will analyze so it will add to his decision...acting calm strong means weak! dont vary anything ever to these dudes raises ,post flop bets ,physical actions ect they are looking for any edge dont voluntarily give them one! chip shuffling ben has seen 12000 times and 8865 out of 12000 they do NOT have a hand!
    good luck always
    kowboy
  9. jhendricks09 jhendricks09 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 11:55am) in reply to msteitz12

    if you think that you misplayed this hand, you are thinking results way too much.... i think this play works most of the time, therefore it is +ev.... he just sniffed it out and made a play... u want him to do that when u actually have a hand
  10. msteitz12 msteitz12 is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 9:39pm) in reply to jhendricks09

    good point jhendricks. thx
     
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  11. bfineman bfineman is offline

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    Nov 5th, 2007 (11/5/2007 10:02pm) in reply to msteitz12

    nice post steitz.

    you didn't give off any physical tells, at least none that i picked up on. i tend to pay far more attention to bet sizing than anything else, which is why i c/r'd you. your huge raise pf looked like you didn't want action, so i figured you weren't too strong and decided to see a flop. had you bet closer to 8k-10k, i'd probably just muck, but the 12k looked like you reeeeeally wanted a fold. since i didn't put you on a big hand preflop, a 357 board meant that you either missed completely or crushed it. and if i read the hand wrong and you had something like 99, i had few outs to fall back on.

    meh, i'm sure you could have just as easily rolled over a7 and i'd have doubled you up.

    btw, where did we play together this summer?
     
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