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  1. Chrono Chrono is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2008 (8/28/2008 10:41pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #7841921652: $25,000 KO Guarantee (58884947), Table 18 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:02:10 ET - 2008/08/28
    Seat 2: castellimich (66,050)
    Seat 3: grtwhitehoop (58,283)
    Seat 4: AnyAceWillDo (12,064)
    Seat 5: makavelyces (6,844)
    Seat 7: chrono526 (33,256)
    Seat 8: ChAzZz18 (98,375)
    Seat 9: nickthenewguy (40,314)
    castellimich antes 150
    grtwhitehoop antes 150
    AnyAceWillDo antes 150
    makavelyces antes 150
    chrono526 antes 150
    ChAzZz18 antes 150
    nickthenewguy antes 150
    makavelyces posts the small blind of 600
    chrono526 posts the big blind of 1,200
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to chrono526 [7s 7h]
    ChAzZz18 folds
    nickthenewguy folds
    castellimich folds
    grtwhitehoop raises to 3,000
    AnyAceWillDo folds
    makavelyces raises to 6,694, and is all in

    chrono526......................................

    <span>21 people left I think. The guy in the cutoff has been fairly aggressive, and he might just be raising to try to collect that guys bounty, like a lot of people do in these things. Anyway, I am just thinking about my play. If I just call I allow the original raiser to iso the all in guy and I waste about 6k chips. If I reraise I'd have to put in almost half my chips, which would basically commit me anyway. Does anybody fold here? I don't think so, to a Cutoff raiser and a guy with a little over 5 BBs. Really? Anyway.. please discuss. </span>
     
  2. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2008 (8/28/2008 10:48pm) in reply to Chrono

    I would rather fold than flat.

    That said I shove if the original raiser has shown any tendency to be be raising wide in LP, which you said he has been, so shove.
  3. Chrono Chrono is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:25am) in reply to Chrono

    booo, nobody else finds this hand somewhat interesting. I mean it's a common situation that most of us are put in late in a tournament, so it's very important.
     
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  4. Karls_Hungus Karls_Hungus is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:29am) in reply to Chrono

    This is a shove unless the initial raiser is supertight, which it sounds like he was not.
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:34am) in reply to Chrono

    I'm not completely sure what I would do in this spot but I think I'd be folding or calling... maybe it's a flaw but I would hardly ever push unless this guy had been stealing almost 100% of hands in LP.
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:55am) in reply to poncholoco

     
    Originally Posted by poncholoco View Post

    I'm not completely sure what I would do in this spot but I think I'd be folding or calling... maybe it's a flaw but I would hardly ever push unless this guy had been stealing almost 100% of hands in LP.

    If you call what kind of flop are you hoping for? One with a seven in it I would guess, which isn't going to happen enough to make a call profitable. Any other flop you're playing a guessing game and you're being put to a decision and not the other way around had you shoved pre.
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 10:57am) in reply to poncholoco

     
    Originally Posted by poncholoco View Post

    I'm not completely sure what I would do in this spot but I think I'd be folding or calling... maybe it's a flaw but I would hardly ever push unless this guy had been stealing almost 100% of hands in LP.

    imo folding > shoving > callin
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:05am) in reply to warden

    ^^^^^ What he said
     
  9. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:12am) in reply to Blackout4

    hmmm i never fold here shipskies all day
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:15am) in reply to warden

    u really like folding better than shoving David?
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:34am) in reply to Chrono

    At first my thought was shoving>folding>calling. I may still think this, but one question: Chrono--how Makavelyces drop to 5bbs? Did he recently lose a big pot, or just got blinded down? That could make a big difference in many aspects of the table dynamics.
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:37am) in reply to JMaster130

     
    Originally Posted by JMaster130 View Post

    At first my thought was shoving>folding>calling. I may still think this, but one question: Chrono--how Makavelyces drop to 5bbs? Did he recently lose a big pot, or just got blinded down? That could make a big difference in many aspects of the table dynamics.

    he blinded down
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 11:51am) in reply to Chrono

     
    Originally Posted by Chrono View Post

     
    Originally Posted by JMaster130 View Post

    At first my thought was shoving>folding>calling. I may still think this, but one question: Chrono--how Makavelyces drop to 5bbs? Did he recently lose a big pot, or just got blinded down? That could make a big difference in many aspects of the table dynamics.

    he blinded down

    Well that's a little tough then. I'd still probably lean towards shoving here, but I don't necessarily think you're ahead of maka's range. Granted he only has 5bbs, but putting that in w/ no FE after blinding down for some time generally means strength. The original raiser probably needs 99+, AQ+ to call your shove. I donno, I could go either way, shove or fold, but I'm NEVER calling.
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 12:02pm) in reply to JMaster130

    ya, I don't think calling crossed my mind. I'll post results later if you want or just pm me and i'll let you know, that seems like a better idea.
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:36pm) in reply to Chrono

    I'd say flat, and then pwn the beotch when he shoves weaker to iso! And if he has 99, suckout...otherwise win the race. Ok back to reality.....shipaments all day..he can't call that light can he? What's his range of calling chrono's reship here? Chrono has 25bb so I don't think the opener can REALLY call lightly here when it's over 1/2 his stack.
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:49pm) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    I'd say flat, and then pwn the beotch when he shoves weaker to iso! And if he has 99, suckout...otherwise win the race. Ok back to reality.....shipaments all day..he can't call that light can he? What's his range of calling chrono's reship here? Chrono has 25bb so I don't think the opener can REALLY call lightly here when it's over 1/2 his stack.

    I'd say he will probably call the reshove with 88+ AQo+ AQs+ maybe change the AQ to AJ if he's got balls.
     
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    Aug 29th, 2008 (8/29/2008 1:51pm) in reply to Chrono

    Concur with the Warden....Fold > Shove > Flat
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