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  1. McPeePee McPeePee is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 4:37am)

    and went out 19th on this hand. Anyone fold this preflop? lol Or play it differently?

    pokerstars Game #2677738921: Tournament #12956727, Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (2000/4000) - 2005/09/28 - 00:27:43 (ET)
    Table '12956727 35' Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: LarryNance22 (52651 in chips)
    Seat 2: McPeePee (51110 in chips)
    Seat 3: jobscj (45113 in chips)
    Seat 5: BlueMistCats (105839 in chips)
    Seat 6: Trap Setter (38324 in chips)
    Seat 8: dredeezy (80328 in chips)
    Seat 9: dealer18 (64927 in chips)
    LarryNance22: posts the ante 200
    McPeePee: posts the ante 200
    jobscj: posts the ante 200
    BlueMistCats: posts the ante 200
    Trap Setter: posts the ante 200
    dredeezy: posts the ante 200
    dealer18: posts the ante 200
    BlueMistCats: posts small blind 2000
    Trap Setter: posts big blind 4000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to McPeePee [Jh Jd]
    dredeezy: folds
    dealer18: raises 4000 to 8000
    LarryNance22: folds
    McPeePee: raises 42910 to 50910 and is all-in
    jobscj: folds
    BlueMistCats: folds
    Trap Setter: folds
    dealer18: calls 42910
    *** FLOP *** [9c Jc 8h]
    *** TURN *** [9c Jc 8h] [Kd]
    *** RIVER *** [9c Jc 8h Kd] [6s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dealer18: shows [Ks Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
    McPeePee: shows [Jh Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
    Trap Setter said, "wow"
    dealer18 collected 109220 from pot
    dredeezy said, "WOW IS RIGHT"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 109220 | Rake 0
    Board [9c Jc 8h Kd 6s]
    Seat 1: LarryNance22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: McPeePee showed [Jh Jd] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
    Seat 3: jobscj (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: BlueMistCats (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Trap Setter (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: dredeezy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: dealer18 showed [Ks Kh] and won (109220) with three of a kind, Kings

    Sometimes Poker(stars) can be so cruel...
  2. A_Ivanovich A_Ivanovich is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 6:24am) in reply to McPeePee

    Well, since you asked, yes, I would play this differently. I don't know what your experience level is playing late in tourneys, but I can tell you in my experience, an early position min raise in this situation is KK or AA. He wants action so bad it hurts. I'm not just saying this as a backseat driver w/ all the 20/20 hindsight answers. I folded TT to the exact raise in nearly the same position without even thinking twice. Only difference is I was a short stack at the time. Someone else bit w/ an AJ or something and ran into the AA. Seriously, watch out for this one late in tourneys. The more you play and get this deep, the more you will see.
     
  3. JLucky34 JLucky34 is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 6:38am) in reply to McPeePee

    I would say that given your stack in this situation, a call might even be an option. Like mentioned before, this just reeks of AA or KK...so if you know what they have, they will not be able to put you necessarily on a range of hands if you cold call, and they will most likely not expect you to be on a pair TT or higher. Why I say call even though you know that you are a 4-1 dog preflop to these hands, when you hit your sets, you will nine times out of ten get paid. I think given your stack (80k) and the cost to call (8k) with your odds to flop a set (7-1, not counting the odds that they will flop it too but that is a math question I can't deal wil at 3:38 in the morning!!!), and I think you can call here, maybe encourage another caller so when you hit that set on a uncordinated rainbow board you can get paid. Proceed with caution either way
  4. pikpoket pikpoket is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 6:38am) in reply to A_Ivanovich

    even more dangerous is the utg limper in the late stages of mtt, ESP. if the limper has a short or below average stack, it's like a neon light flashing AA whenever someone does this...
  5. Cyrrix_chipset Cyrrix_chipset is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 10:10am) in reply to JLucky34

    If he did follow your advice of just calling he would have gotten the same results since he did hit his set of the flop. only problem is his opponent hit his higher set on the river.
  6. Ace_this Ace_this is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 11:48am) in reply to McPeePee

    If I were looking for a race, that's how I would've played it, because at best you are probably 50-50, depending on how dealer18 had been playing at the table. However, the result would have obviously been the same on a J high flop, whether you move-in or slow play it, he's probably not laying down KK with a J high rainbow flop even though there is a str8 draw out there. I'd guess he moves all-in after the flop anyway. Oh, by the way, this is how I wish i would play it. I think the saying applies, "do as I say, not as I do".
  7. az1969 az1969 is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 1:14pm) in reply to McPeePee

    Would I go all in with Js when the blinds were raised to 4K? Not a chance.
  8. scout0112 scout0112 is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 3:21pm) in reply to az1969

    I agree with the raise screaming of AA or KK. I would have called here as you risked too many of your chips on JJ. When you hit the flop all the chips were going in regardless but you could also have had the option of laying them down to A or K high flop and possibly saved those chips for a better position. IMO.
  9. sepslugseven sepslugseven is offline I wrote a letter but I threw it out.

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 5:00pm) in reply to scout0112

    You are all forgetting that the UTG limp raise is used fairly often as a steal technique or by someone like me who has no clue wtf to do with AQs UTG at that point of the tourney. SO his JJ all in play also could have had some fold equity along with it and would have been a significant pot even if UTG folds preflop.
  10. McPeePee McPeePee is offline

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    Sep 28th, 2005 (9/28/2005 6:33pm) in reply to sepslugseven

    That's what I was thinking sep. dealer seemed like a decent player, which lent me to believe that he might have been raising with some hand like AQs or some suited connector hoping to just steal the pot. There was 16,000 in there already after his raise, so that would've been a nice addition to my stack without playing the flop.

    In hindsight though, I had gotten deep again by playing good solid poker, outplaying my opponents preflop. A call was clearly an option, if somewhat passive. If I had to do it again I would probably have just called and seen the flop and play it from there. But as it stood I was gonna be busted anyhow unless I somehow fold preflop, which I highly doubt is possibly after just one min raise (even if I do think he has a big pair cause a set will double me up).
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