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Deep MTT Spot.. Critique me please (*edited with new similar spot as well)

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  1. jp4347 jp4347 is offline

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    Apr 29th, 2008 (4/29/2008 8:32pm)

    I was relatively new to the table but in the last ~25 hands villian had been very aggressive and had a mid-large stack. Obvious, the resteal didnt work. I probably shouldve tried with a hand that wasnt so easily dominated as well. I had played very conservatively over the hands I had been at the table. Thoughts?
    *see below for new hand

    FullTiltPoker Game #6205094085: $32,000 Guarantee (46537140), Table 153 - 1500/3000 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:42:01 ET - 2008/04/27
    Seat 1: JohnXDoe (36,148)
    Seat 2: jp4347 (36,661)
    Seat 3: STACKER1183 (44,736)
    Seat 4: fabcunha (102,239)
    Seat 5: Z2461011 (21,430)
    Seat 7: simonbda (120,709)
    Seat 8: STIK123 (58,159)
    Seat 9: bliebs (39,354)
    JohnXDoe antes 400
    jp4347 antes 400
    STACKER1183 antes 400
    fabcunha antes 400
    Z2461011 antes 400
    simonbda antes 400
    STIK123 antes 400
    bliebs antes 400
    JohnXDoe posts the small blind of 1,500
    jp4347 posts the big blind of 3,000
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jp4347 [Ac Jd]
    STACKER1183 folds
    fabcunha folds
    Z2461011 folds
    simonbda folds
    STIK123 raises to 9,000
    bliebs folds
    JohnXDoe folds
    jp4347 raises to 36,261, and is all in
    STIK123 calls 27,261
    jp4347 shows [Ac Jd]
    STIK123 shows [Ad Kd]
    *** FLOP *** [6s 3d 6d]
    *** TURN *** [6s 3d 6d] [9c]
    *** RIVER *** [6s 3d 6d 9c] [4c]
    jp4347 shows a pair of Sixes
    STIK123 shows a pair of Sixes
    STIK123 wins the pot (77,222) with a pair of Sixes
    jp4347 stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 77,222 | Rake 0
    Board: [6s 3d 6d 9c 4c]
    Seat 1: JohnXDoe (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: jp4347 (big blind) showed [Ac Jd] and lost with a pair of Sixes
    Seat 3: STACKER1183 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: fabcunha folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: Z2461011 folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: simonbda folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: STIK123 showed [Ad Kd] and won (77,222) with a pair of Sixes
    Seat 9: bliebs (button) folded before the Flop

    **** RECENT HAND: ADVICE ON THIS TOO PLEASE (SIMILAR SITUATION) A similar hand took place last night at nearly the same spot in a tournament. I had AJo in the BB. Cutoff with 40,000 chips raises to 7000 with 1200/2400 blinds, I reshove with 29,000 chips. Like the first time, he was new to the table but only for about 20 hands and had shown up a few big hands recently after raising pf. Are you still shoving here? Thanks for the input, gotta fill them leaks in the my game. *Also, K9s with blinds at 800/1600 and a stack of 8200. folded to in cutoff with fairly tight mid-stacked players (stack sizes 14,000-19,000) to act after. are you shoving there?
  2. stroke2649 stroke2649 is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2008 (4/30/2008 2:01am) in reply to jp4347

    ummm... in hte past i would do that, but the more iv'e been learning, ill fold going up a big stack like that in this part of the tourny
  3. bukowski101 bukowski101 is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2008 (4/30/2008 4:14am) in reply to jp4347

    You don't have any fold equity really so u r prob gonna get called. I think I am shoving here most of the time vs. aggressive player, just unlucky imo.
     
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2008 (4/30/2008 10:47am) in reply to jp4347

    I disagree that you don't have fold equity here. Your push is for over half his stack. I think there are many hands he could raise as an agressive player and get away from it.

    The resteal is a tricky play. You do it not because you feel ahead, but you feel that you can get him away from his hand. I think your in the middle, since you could even be ahead here (If you had QQ, it's not a resteal, it would be a raise). But, it's a move that doesn't work 100% of the time, and you can feel foolish when it doesn't work.

    You ran into him having a monster here, it's really more bad luck that the time you decide to call him out on his reraising, he has you dominated with a hand he isn't getting away from.

    But, big pot, you had fold equity, you have a decent hand and a read that he may be light, I really don't see a better time to try and pull this move, it just didn't work.
  5. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2008 (4/30/2008 9:42pm) in reply to jp4347

    Looks like a cooler to me - 8 handed, you said he has been very agressive and you have been tight, so you are way ahead of his open raising range from the CO, and you have plenty of fold equity.

    Unlucky.
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    May 1st, 2008 (5/1/2008 2:30pm) in reply to jp4347

    Your shove is fine....you just got unlucky that he happened to have the very top of his range...also dont consider this a resteal, most of the time AJ will have his range crushed...dont question plays like this, u moved in with decent FE against a laggy player with a hand that has showdown value...u did exactly what u were supposed to
     
  7. jp4347 jp4347 is offline

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    May 1st, 2008 (5/1/2008 4:58pm) in reply to bballin04

     
    Originally Posted by bballin04 View Post

    Your shove is fine....you just got unlucky that he happened to have the very top of his range...also dont consider this a resteal, most of the time AJ will have his range crushed...dont question plays like this, u moved in with decent FE against a laggy player with a hand that has showdown value...u did exactly what u were supposed to 

    A similar hand took place last night at nearly the same spot in a tournament. I had AJo in the BB. Cutoff with 40,000 chips raises to 7000 with 1200/2400 blinds, I reshove with 29,000 chips. Like the first time, he was new to the table but only for about 20 hands and had shown up a few big hands recently after raising pf. Are you still shoving here? Thanks for the input, gotta fill them leaks in the my game. *Also, K9s with blinds at 800/1600 and a stack of 8200. folded to in cutoff with fairly tight mid-stacked players (stack sizes 14,000-19,000) to act after. are you shoving there?
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    May 1st, 2008 (5/1/2008 5:06pm) in reply to jp4347

    *Also, K9s with blinds at 800/1600 and a stack of 8200. folded to in cutoff with fairly tight mid-stacked players (stack sizes 14,000-19,000) to act after. Bubble broken with 120/1100 players remaining. Are you shoving here?
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