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deep rebuys.. top pair and flush draw

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  1. xmeteorox xmeteorox is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 1:06am)

    what is your move here? be honest... the only thing i know is sb gambles when he has decent hands....
    toughts?

    pokerstars Game #21285296658: Tournament #113517786, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2008/10/18 0:36:44 ET
    Table '113517786 56' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: xmeteorox (138820 in chips)
    Seat 3: VonKeno (122394 in chips)
    Seat 4: mihai1969 (37562 in chips)
    Seat 5: lukenbach (36206 in chips)
    Seat 6: xxpashaxx (52278 in chips)
    Seat 7: ronn_6169 (81427 in chips)
    Seat 8: adler11 (207777 in chips)
    Seat 9: ginggang (50555 in chips)
    xmeteorox: posts the ante 400
    VonKeno: posts the ante 400
    mihai1969: posts the ante 400
    lukenbach: posts the ante 400
    xxpashaxx: posts the ante 400
    ronn_6169: posts the ante 400
    adler11: posts the ante 400
    ginggang: posts the ante 400
    ginggang: posts small blind 2000
    xmeteorox: posts big blind 4000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to xmeteorox [6c Kc]
    VonKeno: folds
    mihai1969: folds
    lukenbach: folds
    xxpashaxx: folds
    ronn_6169: folds
    adler11: calls 4000
    ginggang: calls 2000
    xmeteorox: checks
    *** FLOP *** [8c Kd Jc]
    Ronin Harper is connected
    ginggang: checks
    xmeteorox: checks
    adler11: bets 4000
    ginggang: raises 4000 to 8000
    xmeteorox: ???
  2. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 1:12am) in reply to xmeteorox

    Either raise enough to put gingang all in.. Or just open fold right here.
  3. xmeteorox xmeteorox is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 1:13am) in reply to xmeteorox

    flat call, raise? or hmm fold (i dont think so)
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  4. leftygrove leftygrove is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 1:16am) in reply to xmeteorox

    seems like an easy shove to me...

    edit: oh nahh, adler's stack... well i'd reup it and see what adler does. then ship if he folds
  5. onasis16 onasis16 is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 1:23am) in reply to xmeteorox

    you forgat to mention that you where running 22nd from 220 left with a twice avg stack in comanding lead and having a good shot to final table this thing i think this changes the whole picture here
    flatcall see a flop and take it from there but not in the hell risking 50% of your stack on a tpwk with a draw when you are in that position with ,i dont think its neessary to gambol here for 50%of your stack , fold and you still have 150k when the avg stack is 80k in the mtt with 220 left but i dont see a shove here any comments on that thought here???
    gg bro

    p.s please post the follwing hand to afer this one to get some input on your 88s vs kqs for 90k
  6. Bawsten Bawsten is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 2:49am) in reply to xmeteorox

    make it 34k call ging shove
  7. squintster squintster is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 4:03am) in reply to onasis16

     
    Originally Posted by onasis16 View Post

    you forgat to mention that you where running 22nd from 220 left with a twice avg stack in comanding lead and having a good shot to final table this thing i think this changes the whole picture here
    flatcall see a flop and take it from there but not in the hell risking 50% of your stack on a tpwk with a draw when you are in that position with ,i dont think its neessary to gambol here for 50%of your stack , fold and you still have 150k when the avg stack is 80k in the mtt with 220 left but i dont see a shove here any comments on that thought here???
    gg bro

    p.s please post the follwing hand to afer this one to get some input on your 88s vs kqs for 90k

    I don't like any of this advice. With 220 left there is no reason to even think about the final table...it's light years away. With a min bet and a min raise, I am not even sold that you do not have the best hand with top pair! I think when holding the hand that you have here, the aggressor ends up ahead long run. I make a good sized raise and will be willing to put it all in. If you flat, be prepared for a tough decision.
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  8. xmeteorox xmeteorox is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 4:21am) in reply to xmeteorox

    xmeteorox: raises 16000 to 24000
    adler11: folds
    ginggang: raises 22155 to 46155 and is all-in
    xmeteorox: calls 22155
    *** TURN *** [8c Kd Jc] [Qd]
    *** RIVER *** [8c Kd Jc Qd] [2d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ginggang: shows [Kh 8s] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
    xmeteorox: shows [6c Kc] (a pair of Kings)
    ginggang collected 111510 from pot

    well, i lost the hand.. flat call is ok, but if flush misses he is pushing so would be hard to call with only one card to come..
    i think raising is better ^^
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  9. chessmaster chessmaster is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 7:10pm) in reply to squintster

    why would onasis think that way, don't u ever gamble when u play a tournament this long? don't u think he got a pretty good hand to gamble for 50% of his stack after 2 weak bets? they got plenty of fold equity after xmeteorox pushed all in with a monster plus as the other guy said there is no reason to think about final table, u gotta have at least 1.3 millions to make it to the final table. With top pair plus 13 outs im down to gamble anytime cause sometimes thats what it takes to make a final table.
  10. onasis16 onasis16 is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 7:31pm) in reply to chessmaster

     
    Originally Posted by chessmaster View Post

    why would onasis think that way, don't u ever gamble when u play a tournament this long? don't u think he got a pretty good hand to gamble for 50% of his stack after 2 weak bets? they got plenty of fold equity after xmeteorox pushed all in with a monster plus as the other guy said there is no reason to think about final table, u gotta have at least 1.3 millions to make it to the final table. With top pair plus 13 outs im down to gamble anytime cause sometimes thats what it takes to make a final table.

    well i do gamble a lot but with the stacksize he had i dont agree the shove here at all opponent could have a set or even a nut flsuh draw meaning even if you hit your flush you dont know if its even good or maybe he hit a small set and you again behind i just found with his stack he can wait for a better spot to get his chips in the middle and about foldequity most of thoose players in a 3r have no clue about foldequity why race a donkey who doesnt understand mtt theory????
  11. frosty012 frosty012 is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 7:46pm) in reply to xmeteorox

    dude this is a standard fold i can't believe some of these responses =/

    edit: aw nvmmmm didnt see the flush draw :)
  12. ImaBustYou ImaBustYou is offline

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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 8:10pm) in reply to frosty012

    shove or fold, i dont think you can do it any other way!

    although your play is pretty transparent as a flush draw with a pair if you shove, it would be really hard to get away from. Folding just seems bad becuz you know it is so unlikely to be up against a set here. obv being up against 2 pair sucks, but I think I shove this most of the time unless I know villain to be super super tight. even then i only fold like 20%.
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    Oct 18th, 2008 (10/18/2008 10:03pm) in reply to Bawsten

     
    Originally Posted by Bawsten View Post

    make it 34k call any shove

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