Villain was a solid aggressive player. How would you play it?

Full Tilt Poker Game #13746040844: Table Sun Reef - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:02:56 ET - 2009/08/01
Seat 1: Alem51 ($21)
Seat 2: Eva8822 ($100)
Seat 3: Robocup ($30.05)
Seat 4: KevinTian ($17.50)
Seat 5: undertheradar2 ($178.95)
Seat 6: JMagnat ($91.10)
Seat 7: chucktx64 ($72.30)
Seat 8: David Schlager ($154.40)
Seat 9: Poking_Fun ($113.20)
Eva8822 posts the small blind of $0.50
Robocup posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to undertheradar2 [Kh Ks]
KevinTian folds
undertheradar2 raises to $3.50
JMagnat folds
chucktx64 folds
David Schlager raises to $11.15
Poking_Fun folds
Alem51 folds
Eva8822 folds
Eva8822 adds $0.50
Robocup folds
undertheradar2 raises to $34.95
David Schlager has 15 seconds left to act
David Schlager raises to $154.40, and is all in

your action?

please dont fold

A trny player playing cash cant find a fold here ...but as a cash player I can def find a fold here if I know the guys tendencies.

Unless your image is kind of nutty then the truth is AK and QQ would likely flat your 4 bet. KK and AA would likely jam but YOU have KK.

Had you repopped him at all before that or three bet fold him? IF not even better chance this is AA unless he is a trny donk mixing it up in the cash games

I think identiying when you are up against AA with KK is a important to cash profitability as is making big correct big laydowns in general

ooo its FT please fold your up vs AA for sure!!! Just joking but 2 days ago 6 handed i been up 4 times in a session with KK vs AA way more then normal in a 6 handed 2 hours session.Ya for sure its possible to fold KK pre vs a tight player who never ever 4 bet without the nuts...but you stated he a solid agresif player so i geuss call and hope K hits.

I call here and then shout FFS!!!! when he flips up the bullets

 

Originally Posted by pharreal87

i mean we all know he has aces this time but people will still play the hand like this with a few others also just sucks when u get kings in pre and are already dominated.

sf this!

 

Originally Posted by natedoggprov

maybe the games are different on tilt, but on stars i would say that ive seen ak and qq shove in that spot way more often then just flatting. especially the ak. people play ak pre insanely aggresive, getting full stacks in at 2/4 nl without even a flinch.

This guys not playing 2/4 nl hes playing 100nl.

 

Originally Posted by zigi

ooo its FT please fold your up vs AA for sure!!! Just joking but 2 days ago 6 handed i been up 4 times in a session with KK vs AA way more then normal in a 6 handed 2 hours session.Ya for sure its possible to fold KK pre vs a tight player who never ever 4 bet without the nuts...but you stated he a solid agresif player so i geuss call and hope K hits.

wut

whoever doesn't fold here can't play cash worth sh*t

also, plz remind me to epicly exploit the top 2 posters nittiness. if i see you fold KK pre, im 3/4/5 betting you guys SOOOO light its rediculous.

you have the 2nd nuts. one hand beats you. just dont fold. that easy, click call.

weve had this discussion 2839457923 times, there are VERY few instances where it is correct to laydown KK preflop

this just isnt one ofem. maybe add 300-400 effective big blinds more and well talk.

I don't like sticking 150 BB's in with one pair. I'm pretty nitty and it's not an easy fold by any means, but if you're a winning player to any degree, I think you can find a better spot to get nearly your whole stack in there.

Against someone that you have seen get out of line, this may be a snap-call. You've described him as a solid/aggro player which makes me have to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has made $50+ in this session (second in chips to you) and he's one of three stacks that has more than a full stack at the table. In a lot of cases, this points out who the winning players are at the table. The conclusion that can be made from his stack is either a) he's a winning player or b) he's been getting lucky, and I don't want my whole stack on the line against either of these types.

My opinion is to take your $34.95 loss and flop a set in a few hands to make up for it :) You might kick yourself later when you see this guy show up in this same situation with KQs, but it takes a lot of grinding to make up for this kind of mistake if he has AA.

i recently did some study of 4 and 5bet pots pre at 100nl. the 5better had AA ~50%of the time. the other 50 % was composed of some random spew shoves AK,AJ TT other shit. the spew shoves tend to happen in later positions and not for this many bb's. he is 5betting a 2 pos 4bet here.
no one who is good is EVER 5 bet shoving over a 4 bet form 2nd position 150 bbs eff. with AK or QQ. unless they are on some sort of mega tilt or have some crazy history with the 4 bettor. he has AA like almost everytime in this spot at this level making this a easy clear fold def not a cooler with 150 bb stacks.

 

Originally Posted by Deoxyribo

 

Originally Posted by cbolt21

In this situation I fold EVERY TIME. Cant find a fold? Are you guys joking? In tournaments KK rarely (if ever) gets laid down pre in online tourneys but this is not a tourney... This guy has aces about 90% time.

lol at this.
plz dont fold. plz realize KK vs AA is a cooler, and hope its the one outta 5 times you suck out.

I disagree with this. You can't just blame tough spots on a "cooler" and claim there's nothing you can do about it. If you have KK and you believe your opponent has AA, then you're an 80% underdog and should fold. That's simple.

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