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deep stack vs normal stack..

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  1. mcmarkrazz mcmarkrazz is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 4:40am)

    im going over my records and just now noticed that i win deep stack tourneys like 2 to 1 over normal stacked tourney's ..
    i played 4 tourney tonight i got
    2nd in the ds horse ..
    2nd in the ds omaha hi/lo
    1028 in the normal stack
    105 in the normal stack

    i think im on to something..lol., cant believe im such a donk it took me a year to notice this trend..anyone else notice a better over all perfomance between the 2 different starting stack sizes>?
     
  2. Theokguy Theokguy is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 4:43am) in reply to mcmarkrazz

    I think your sample size is adequate
  3. mcmarkrazz mcmarkrazz is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 5:03am) in reply to Theokguy

    my sample size was over 200 mtt's i just added this night events to emphasize the point :)
     
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  4. SICKTIGHT311 SICKTIGHT311 is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 5:27am) in reply to mcmarkrazz

    Solidly disguised brag post. Asks a question to show off the 2 2nd place finishes. Pretty good night! Play more deep stacks and see how it goes. It could be coincidence or it might not be. Analyze it deeper.
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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 8:34am) in reply to mcmarkrazz

    I like the double stack tourneys more, and i think i'm more successfuly there consistently, because of the reduced variance a deep stack gives me.

    For me, in so many regular stack tournaments so much is decided in the first 30 minutes or less at your table. Either you get lucky and hit a premium hand or premium flop and get action and give yourself the equivalent of a deep stack, or you get nothing or worse miss the flops big, and suddently you've got 800-1000 chips, or everybody around you goes crazy while your waiting for something better then 83os, and they all have 3k - 4K chips and you have 1300, and the 4x-8x raising starts. Obviously these are not the only situations that happen, just the ones that frustrate me and seem to pen me into hoping to win a race soon, or gettin lucky w/ a well timed bluff or suckout.

    With the deep stacks that have the same blind structure i can lose 1000 chips and still feel like i've got room to play - not the prefered status, but having 2k at the 30 minute blind structure obv double my options for play compared to only have 1k at the time.

    I think it let's me handle a bad start of hold cards, a calling station suckout, and other things that can ruin a perfectly good tournament run in the first hr. I play a little more cautiously, keeping pots small to medium so I keep the flexibility a big stack tournament provides. Also, in stakes I play, 5 - 10 90 person DS on Tilt, there are still plenty of players who will give you all their chips when you have the goods early, so it's the best of both worlds. Flexibility to dodge those players and wait for better spots, and good opportunities for payoff when you got it.

    So like the DN and some other pro's say about tournament structures they like, such as the PPP's on Travel channel by WPTE, they give more time for skillful poker playing. You don't have to get involved in big pots way early, and that increases the value of skill versus luck in getting deep into the tournament.
  6. Punter64 Punter64 is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 8:40am) in reply to mcmarkrazz

    I tend to agree here. Apart from UB, the structures on most sites are too fast for my taste. On FTP I will only play their DS tourneys and on stars generally only the Rebuys. Stars is so unforgiving that if you lose a moderate amount of chips in the first 30 minutes you are putting yourself in shove mode very early in the day. Their Deep Stack tourneys are if anything too deep with too much time per level - one extreme to the other! A few Double Stack MTTs on Stars would be very welcome.
     
  7. peeved peeved is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 8:53am) in reply to mcmarkrazz

    I call the normal stars format (you obv. play Full Tilt) "Short Stack Freezout" and I won't play them if there's a deepstack or a rebuy at my leve available.
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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 8:56am) in reply to peeved

    Hahahaha, Short Stack Freezeout is exactly right - I rarely play a stars OR Full Tilt normal tourney. Tilt's structure isn't too hot either with 1,500 chips, after 30 minutes you are looking to make some kind of move.
     
  9. peeved peeved is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2007 (4/2/2007 10:26am) in reply to mcmarkrazz

    Normal Stack is all about hand selection and bet strength.

    Deepstack is about playing poker after the flop.

    Normal stack necessarily involves more variance since all-in moves either hit or miss.
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