Getting all the money in and stacking him seems like a favorable option

I think he is 100% paying me off on the river, even if he has 34o on the turn, or a set. He thinks I bluff all the time. Folding here I think is just plain awful.

whats wrong with calling? i mean top pair may be the nuts to some people but this is 375bb deep and his line looks uber strong and your hand looks like a set. Shoving can't be good if he's never folding, but who knows.

did you mean check call the Turn, or call the min re-raise?

I checked raised this turn because it seemed like the perfect card to check raise. His preflop raise seemed weak as hell, and so did his turn. Based on the dealer exposing 1 ACE, there is less likely of a chance the villain has one. I thought he would instantly fold and if he calls, I can evaluate and I still have outs. The min-raise took me by surprise. The UTG straddled, but I'm pretty sure you're talking about the original live raiser. If thats the case, I am almost positive he's folding because he leads out when he hits 90% of the time, and then just folds to a bet if he misses.

I want to play for stacks Aarongiants. In the situation if I flat the reraise, and bink the river, he's calling 100% of the time. If I just flat his $35 dollars and then shove my remaining $600ish on the river, hes folding. My goal is to get enough chips in, so he can't fold on the river.

 

Originally Posted by sirjwab

I think you played every street wrong

Haha Can you elaborate on that please? What would you have done?

Seems to me that getting 3:1 on our money here with 14 winners (assuming the fives left in the deck are outs) and 31 losers we should flat the raise and shove the river when we hit.

I would have pondered the probability of a 3 bet before I check raised the turn..now that you've bloated the pot with a marginal draw..I think you have to call..folding is terrible and a shove is going to get called..you're a 3:1 dog to a made hand here..and even worse to a set which this guy obviously has..my line is to call, miss my 30% draw, and quietly remove myself from the table and poker room for a leisurely stroll around the casino

As played im peeling the river then check/shoving when i make my hand, his line looks really strong so, i believe that you can pretty safely assume two things:

1) his hand is strong enough (22, QQ, 55, AQ) that he is going to value bet the river everytime regardless of what comes on the river.
2) if any of your outs come on the river you should have no trouble getting the rest of the money in, bc he will effectively be committing his stack with his river bet most likely, and you having flush or straight in that spot looks super unlikely.

I mean he is giving you a great price when you you consider how frequently you stack him on the river with a 3 or club.

That being said i really can't understand why you called the flop with a 45 on that board with like 3000 people in the pot, however I love the raise on the turn as i think he folds a Q a lot, especially since he has no idea that the A was exposed pre.

 

Originally Posted by yjbrewer

I flat the torn and be cautious if board pairs on river bcu may be drawing dead.

Well after river he isnt drawing anything cause no more cards to come. And unless the board b\pairs his 5 i doubt any more money is going in there.

I flat flop and flat turn. If you are intent on raising, then a little above min raise like to $90 is probably enough, if he is re-raising then it doesnt matter what you bet, but you invest less to get same ammount in, if he flats, then you still have a 200+ bet on riv to cash in on when u bink. Also if he has nothing he folds anyway. I like a flat though, as you say with your image and the way he has played it, in hindsight a raise on the riv gets stacks in anyway, even with a pot of 130ish after turn, so i think bloating pot at this stage is not profitable as you are investing $750 with 3rd pair and mediocre draws. and some of your draws may not even be good, as you could be drawing to split and may have as little as 9 outs to flush, or none if he has higher, not drawing to 4/5 if he has set and straight may be splitting it to 34, so its a losing play. flat flat, then stack when bink on riv.

 

Originally Posted by IAMBL_E

I checked raised this turn because it seemed like the perfect card to check raise. His preflop raise seemed weak as hell, and so did his turn. Based on the dealer exposing 1 ACE, there is less likely of a chance the villain has one. I thought he would instantly fold and if he calls, I can evaluate and I still have outs. The min-raise took me by surprise. The UTG straddled, but I'm pretty sure you're talking about the original live raiser. If thats the case, I am almost positive he's folding because he leads out when he hits 90% of the time, and then just folds to a bet if he misses.

I want to play for stacks Aarongiants. In the situation if I flat the reraise, and bink the river, he's calling 100% of the time. If I just flat his $35 dollars and then shove my remaining $600ish on the river, hes folding. My goal is to get enough chips in, so he can't fold on the river.

I missed that the UTG was a straddle. Calling the raise from the blind not a problem in my book.

Based on your description of the guy and his perception of you bluffing all the time I think you may be second guessing that he might have folded to your check/raise.

But the more I think about it the more I like the check/raise. If he calls it then he's that much more likely to call a river shove if you hit and that gives you sufficient implied odds to make the raise. That he min reraised you makes it practically certain. The only cards that potentially kill you are the 2c and both remaining 5's. Should a 3 get there though I think you'd need to value bet, not shove.

I doubt he's splashing in a 5 way pot on the flop. I really think a flat call on the turn is infinitily better because if you do hit your flush, it looks like an easy check/raise river that is going to get paid off a ton by alot of medium-strong strength hands he is betting on the flop and continuing with on the turn. I see your logic for raising turn however by rasising the turn you're basically telling the villian that you either have a super strong hand or are making a move. Therefore his medium- weak hands that he is betting on the flop most likely are super shrunk by the river and therefore even if you do make your flush, you are rarely getting called by this range. As people had stated previously in this thread, expanding the pot size on the turn out of position in order to gain control of the pot on a semi draw is a rather weak strategy in a 1/2 homegame. Another reason to just flat the turn is because you will be able to lead all your flush rivers because not only are they a backdoor flushes, you said yourself the villian had top pair syndrome.