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Deep in the super stack? 3 bet jam or call and play post?

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  1. tha_burgh tha_burgh is offline

    Kennesaw, GA
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    Jan 10th, 2010 (1/10/2010 2:26am)

    Guy has been very active and showed down lite a bunch. Played horrible so far and I have played pretty tight. Wondering if I should have flatted pre...He snap calls with AQos there...Whats your take on his call as well??

    Full Tilt Poker Game #17481314622: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (131211843), Table 229 - 12000/24000 Ante 3000 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:21:08 ET - 2010/01/10
    Seat 1: CHUECO-CHUECO (2,011,287)
    Seat 2: SpadesUnlimited (549,933)
    Seat 4: iflyme (1,273,662)
    Seat 5: MMpokers (459,081)
    Seat 6: Magoo76 (92,704)
    Seat 7: COMITAN32 (694,202)
    Seat 8: Wahnfrieden (2,028,584)
    CHUECO-CHUECO antes 3,000
    SpadesUnlimited antes 3,000
    iflyme antes 3,000
    MMpokers antes 3,000
    Magoo76 antes 3,000
    COMITAN32 antes 3,000
    Wahnfrieden antes 3,000
    Magoo76 posts the small blind of 12,000
    COMITAN32 posts the big blind of 24,000
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to SpadesUnlimited [Td Ts]
    Wahnfrieden raises to 72,000
    CHUECO-CHUECO folds
    SpadesUnlimited has 15 seconds left to act
    SpadesUnlimited raises to 546,933, and is all in
    iflyme folds
    MMpokers folds
    Magoo76 folds
    COMITAN32 folds
    Wahnfrieden calls 474,933
    SpadesUnlimited shows [Td Ts]
    Wahnfrieden shows [Ac Qh]
    *** FLOP *** [Qd 5s 4c]
    *** TURN *** [Qd 5s 4c] [6d]
    *** RIVER *** [Qd 5s 4c 6d] [9s]
    SpadesUnlimited shows a pair of Tens
    Wahnfrieden shows a pair of Queens
    Wahnfrieden wins the pot (1,150,866) with a pair of Queens
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1,150,866 | Rake 0
    Board: [Qd 5s 4c 6d 9s]
    Seat 1: CHUECO-CHUECO folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: SpadesUnlimited showed [Td Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens
    Seat 4: iflyme folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: MMpokers (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Magoo76 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: COMITAN32 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Wahnfrieden showed [Ac Qh] and won (1,150,866) with a pair of Queens
  2. Zephyr98 Zephyr98 is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2010 (1/10/2010 7:18am) in reply to tha_burgh

    I don't think flatting pre is a great option here, really - 72k is more than 10% of your stack, so if the plan is to set mine, then you're not really getting good implied odds for it, even if you assume post-flop that any board all 9s and lower wins you the hand (which is not obviously true, if he's been very active). If any A-J falls on the flop, then you'd be in trouble when the c-bet lands, too.

    I'm a bit tight, so I'm probably sighing, and folding pre here. I just can't bring myself to shove over 20BBs, particularly with the raiser having 2mil, and a 1.2mil still to act.

    But I think shove > fold > call.
  3. deckeriv deckeriv is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2010 (1/10/2010 8:51am) in reply to tha_burgh

    I guess it kind of depends on your table. You M=9 and you are the effective stack. You generally only want to shove in this spot but he is utg and even more importantly, he has a huge stack and your read was that he calls down light. He can afford to call light and light is actually pretty strong utg. He full 3x raised it so while you should have fold equity, he's calling with Jacks. If you think you can flat and not get squeezed, then it's probably not terrible but I don't think a fold is all that bad either. I fold here just because I don't think you have fold equity versus this villain.
  4. tha_burgh tha_burgh is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2010 (1/10/2010 11:25am) in reply to deckeriv

    I'm not sure i would ever fold against that guy. His table image is awful, he flatting 3bets with q9, 32, A3os, just random garbage. Obv playing his stack well and raising alot but an awful player. Position meant nothing to this guy and 3x open raise regaurdless of his position was a small raise. 3x - 6.5x was a std raise at this table and one 10x. Folding 1010 in that spot was never an option for me (maybe thats my downfall).
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  5. Ser Davos Ser Davos is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2010 (1/10/2010 12:09pm) in reply to tha_burgh

     
    Originally Posted by tha_burgh View Post

    I'm not sure i would ever fold against that guy. His table image is awful, he flatting 3bets with q9, 32, A3os, just random garbage. Obv playing his stack well and raising alot but an awful player. Position meant nothing to this guy and 3x open raise regaurdless of his position was a small raise. 3x - 6.5x was a std raise at this table and one 10x. Folding 1010 in that spot was never an option for me (maybe thats my downfall).

    well its seems to me that you had a good read and went with it. If I had your read with this dude iam jamming here too, just unlucky. Got to win races to win tournies, Gl in the future.
  6. moewells100 moewells100 is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2010 (1/10/2010 8:37pm) in reply to Zephyr98

     
    Originally Posted by Zephyr98 View Post


    I don't think flatting pre is a great option here, really - 72k is more than 10% of your stack, so if the plan is to set mine, then you're not really getting good implied odds for it, even if you assume post-flop that any board all 9s and lower wins you the hand (which is not obviously true, if he's been very active). If any A-J falls on the flop, then you'd be in trouble when the c-bet lands, too.

    I'm a bit tight, so I'm probably sighing, and folding pre here. I just can't bring myself to shove over 20BBs, particularly with the raiser having 2mil, and a 1.2mil still to act.

    But I think shove > fold > call.

    Folding this is the nittiest play ever and negative ev.
    This is a clear shove. You are waaaay ahead of his range here. Also, you really don't have enough chips to play with post flop. What are you going to do when an overcard comes and he bets into you????
  7. odstore odstore is offline

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    Jan 11th, 2010 (1/11/2010 5:05pm) in reply to moewells100

     
    Originally Posted by moewells100 View Post

    Folding this is the nittiest play ever and negative ev.
    This is a clear shove. You are waaaay ahead of his range here. Also, you really don't have enough chips to play with post flop. What are you going to do when an overcard comes and he bets into you????

    Folding is never -ev. Def agree w/ getting it in here though.
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