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Deep in UB 2.5K Guaranteed (Rebuy) – AQos UTG+2 facing Reraise from SB

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  1. crookedraven crookedraven is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 2:29am)

    I'm 17 out of 24 players left, Blinds at 1750/3500

    I pick up AQos UTG+2 with 51,000 behind, raise to 10K - table is fairly active and aggressive (avg player probably around 24/15)

    Villain in the SB makes it 40K and is all-in—player is about a 17/6, has called a handful of raised pots and folded the flop to cbets

    What’s your play?
  2. RollinFish RollinFish is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 2:40am) in reply to crookedraven

    Jam or minraise pre IMO.
    As played, fold and call both suck, but I fold.
  3. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 8:15am) in reply to RollinFish

    HH? player opr/db info? How many hands is the 17/6 sample? Guessing ur getting 1.4 ish on the call. Curious what your plan was when you raised? 77+, AJs+, AJo+ is a call and hope you find the ass end of the range. 88+, AQs+, AQo+ around 37%. I just do not like r/f AQo with a 15 bb stack to a
    11bb reship ever. If he has the nuts oh well. Snap it in imo.
     
  4. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 11:48am) in reply to Pick6man

     
    Originally Posted by Pick6man View Post

    HH? player opr/db info? How many hands is the 17/6 sample? Guessing ur getting 1.4 ish on the call. Curious what your plan was when you raised? 77+, AJs+, AJo+ is a call and hope you find the ass end of the range. 88+, AQs+, AQo+ around 37%. I just do not like r/f AQo with a 15 bb stack to a
    11bb reship ever. If he has the nuts oh well. Snap it in imo.

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  5. crookedraven crookedraven is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 6:43pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    I've pasted the HH for the hand below. Stats on player based on roughly 70 hands (not a lot). When I raised to 10K, I was basically thinking the following (though I don't know if my thinking was exactly correct, so help me here if my logic was off):

    1. I'm on a short stack and am about to get hit with the blinds (only 1-2 players at table near my stack)
    2. The table is playing fairly tight pre flop and very tight post-flop--if I get a caller, I probably have fold equity on the flop
    3. If I min raise, I'll likely get 2 or more callers (which had been standard for min raises)--which I don't want
    4. If I make it 10K and get called, I can fold if the board is too wet and will have 40K behind, but I can shove (or even bet 1/2 pot) on most dry boards or call shoves from looser/big-stacked players

    Honestly, I was somewhat surprised by his shove, but I had to take into consideration that
    1. he was also a short stack and may call with A-10, AJ, TT, 99--he'd just called an all-in with 9s a few hands earlier and rivered his set to double up
    2. he'd seen me shove/3-bet 2-3 times in the last 30 hands (2 of which were AA, AK)--I thought that he may have thought I was trying to play off of that image, and that I might be bluffing. In retrospect, he may have been thinking the exact opposite--that I had a hand, but not one as good as his . . .idk, advice would be really really helpful here. I've been deep a few times lately and faced similar situations, so I want to make sure I don't have some glaring leak that I'm not seeing.

    Stage #634701491 Tourney ID 6085246 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 3,500 - 2011-04-01 19:40:33.014 (ET) [ 2011-04-01 19:40:33 ]
    Table: 29 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
    Seat 7 - HOOPS7111 (54,877 in chips)
    Seat 8 - POSKEY (64,112 in chips)
    Seat 9 - PEYTONHILLIS (75,328 in chips)
    Seat 1 - JUANIMPRENTA (15,131 in chips)
    Seat 2 - RICHARD ROSAD (143,949 in chips)
    Seat 3 - CROOKED_RAVEN (50,560 in chips)
    Seat 4 - TRISHTHAFISH (60,794 in chips)
    Seat 5 - KISGEZO13 (154,279 in chips)
    JUANIMPRENTA - Ante 350
    RICHARD ROSAD - Ante 350
    CROOKED_RAVEN - Ante 350
    TRISHTHAFISH - Ante 350
    KISGEZO13 - Ante 350
    HOOPS7111 - Ante 350
    POSKEY - Ante 350
    PEYTONHILLIS - Ante 350
    POSKEY - Posts small blind 1,750
    PEYTONHILLIS - Posts big blind 3,500
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to CROOKED_RAVEN [Ad Qs]
    JUANIMPRENTA - Folds
    RICHARD ROSAD - Folds
    CROOKED_RAVEN - Raises 10,000 to 10,000
    TRISHTHAFISH - Folds
    KISGEZO13 - Folds (Preselection)
    HOOPS7111 - Folds
    POSKEY - Raises 42,750 to 44,500
    PEYTONHILLIS - Folds
    CROOKED_RAVEN - All-In(Raise) 40,210 to 50,210 (Timeout)
    POSKEY - Calls 5,710
    *** FLOP *** [7s 4d Qh]
    *** TURN *** [7s 4d Qh] [Kc]
    *** RIVER *** [7s 4d Qh Kc] [As]
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  6. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 7:29pm) in reply to crookedraven

    Jam pre with a <15bb stack playing OOP.

    As played, I hate r/f with your stack so jam. SBs range should be wide enough that given the amount in the pot you have the correct odds to play it out.
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  7. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 10:41pm) in reply to crookedraven

    Crooked.....a few things that will help. Try to have a complete plan and anticipate what can happen for each stack before you raise. r/f to single action with 15bbs and AQo to a 11bb stack is the worst of all options. Jam>r/c>fold>r/f here imo.

    By now you should know who your randoms/regs are at the table, abi's, roi's etc. Poskey is a solid winning UB reg with a 38 avbi if I recall and prolly multi tabling a shitload of tables.

    Get to know your push/fold ranges by stack and position. Work with poker stove and experiment with ranges and equity. You should get to know a lot of these scenarios that come up over and over again.

    Poker is complex sure.....but let the easy spots be just that. Easy jam or call here and since you are posting this you obv lost the hand. Make decisions....results are out of your control.

    Hope this helps.

    Peace
     
  8. OfxAxRevolution OfxAxRevolution is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2011 (4/2/2011 11:31pm) in reply to Pick6man

    shove pre (15bb stack and OOP)

    r/c 16-19bbs

    2x it when raising pre

    never ever folding to villains shove
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 2:19am) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    r/c is so much better than shove imo

    most ppl wont call kj/kq a10/a9 hands here but more likely to shove over it

    plus if he has a monster its goin in either way, may aswell open his range up imo

    may induce more pairs to shove over, which sum ppl will say is bad, but 2bh id rather double or bust with 15bb than sit on 15-18bb for ever
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  10. OfxAxRevolution OfxAxRevolution is offline

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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 6:26am) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post

    r/c is so much better than shove imo

    most ppl wont call kj/kq a10/a9 hands here but more likely to shove over it

    plus if he has a monster its goin in either way, may aswell open his range up imo

    may induce more pairs to shove over, which sum ppl will say is bad, but 2bh id rather double or bust with 15bb than sit on 15-18bb for ever

    tbh, i dont mind r/c here at all....agree with lighter hands shoving over you and deff feel we're getting more value by trying to induce here, but i mean what are we doing if we get flatted here and we brick entirely...we're OOP, are we gonna bet/call most boards or is it better to c/r in this type of situation?
  11. CookieStache CookieStache is offline

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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 6:38am) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    I think shipping here is the best play. If we jam and it folds around we just picked up 8,050 which increases our stack by 15%.. pretty solid investment IMO
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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 8:07pm) in reply to OfxAxRevolution

    Yea I hate when you get flatted and brick the flop. Have punted off so many jamming , c/r or bet/calling and I can see the value of opening ranges but OOP it just seems like a headache more often than not.
     
  13. gosensgo1 gosensgo1 is offline

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    Apr 3rd, 2011 (4/3/2011 8:27pm) in reply to Pick6man

    Once you raise this sizing aka more than 3x with your stack you can't fold here.

    Open less or jam pre, I wouldnt fold here though as played

     
    Originally Posted by OfxAxRevolution View Post

    shove pre (15bb stack and OOP)

    r/c 16-19bbs

    2x it when raising pre

    never ever folding to villains shove

    Ya this sums it up. Min raise open is the key here
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