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  1. PocketKKPair PocketKKPair is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2012 (8/16/2012 1:12pm)

    Hi everybody
    This is my first post and I'd like to know Your opinion about that hand.
    It was small buy-in MTT , no ante yet and blinds were 125 and 250. I held 3h 5h on the BB , UTG raised to 750 and all table inc SB folded to me. My stack was aroun 7k and my opponents stack was slightly bigger. I'm not a big fan of giving up my BB so i decided to call. Was it a right move ?? I put him on one of 3 hands : AA , KK , AKs.
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    Aug 16th, 2012 (8/16/2012 1:22pm) in reply to PocketKKPair

    fold pre because
    1. raise is utg so his holdings are going to be stronger then if he was raising from a different seat
    2. 35s oop vs a utg raise is going to put you in too many tough spots
    3. Only having 7k stack isn't enough bbs to be playing a weak speculative hand like this vs a utg 3x raise
     
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    Aug 16th, 2012 (8/16/2012 2:10pm) in reply to kevmode

    All Right , thanks for reading and Your opinion. I totally agree with You , however as I said , I called him ...

    Flop came : 5c 8s 3s
    I checked and he bet 500 , I min-raised to 1000 and he shoved with Ad As.
    I called. The turn was 10h and with a 5d on the river gave me a full house.

    Even though it was a bad call pre flop i won the hand.

    One more question about that hand : Was he right to call me RETARDED MORON after the hand ??

    Thanx again
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  4. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Aug 16th, 2012 (8/16/2012 2:20pm) in reply to PocketKKPair

    After the questionable call pre-flop, you played the post flop situation very well.

    Don't take much concern for the "comment: R... Moron," because he's venting his frustration at losing the hand. He played very poorly post flop. Jaming 6K post flop is a very bad way to play a one pair hand.
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    Aug 16th, 2012 (8/16/2012 2:37pm) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    Thx for replies lads , it's always good to know what others think about Your game.

    Good luck on the tables !
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    Aug 16th, 2012 (8/16/2012 6:03pm) in reply to PocketKKPair

    Speculating with hands like that is good under the right circumstances. I don't think you are deep enough in this specific situation. I would want to be at least 40bb+. The fact that you read his 3x utg raise as strong is preferrable because the goal is to get all his chips, not just win a medium sized pot. It's better to play these types of hand in position so I also prefer to play this type of hand from late position against an ep raiser, again if you are deep enough to speculate. I view playing suited connecting type hands OOP as a leak, one that I can be guilty of myself. Having position in these situations is big.

    From the bb also take into consideration if there are other callers for a multiway pot giving you better pot odds. Obv, you are looking to flop 2 pair or better or some kind of combo draw in order for you to continue with the hand.
     
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 11:30am) in reply to jediwithaces

    your view is skewed slightly because you won the hand, it is a leak defending your big blind by calling with 35, you would be better off re-raising to steal, obv though he wouldn't fold premium hands and will more than likely just shove at this point, ergo you will then fold

    there is nothing wrong in playing 35 from the bb with say a few limpers or a min raise utg with a couple of callers either, but the flat to a 3bet hu isn't going to be profitable in the long run

    defending your big blind is a skill and needs to be done but you need to pick better spots

    glglgl on your poker and keep posting
     
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 2:16pm) in reply to PocketKKPair

     
    Originally Posted by PocketKKPair View Post

    Hi everybody
    This is my first post and I'd like to know Your opinion about that hand.
    It was small buy-in MTT , no ante yet and blinds were 125 and 250. I held 3h 5h on the BB , UTG raised to 750 and all table inc SB folded to me. My stack was aroun 7k and my opponents stack was slightly bigger. I'm not a big fan of giving up my BB so i decided to call. Was it a right move ?? I put him on one of 3 hands : AA , KK , AKs.

    I'm extremely curious how we have assigned him these 3 hands....
     
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 5:14pm) in reply to Icurazedmybb

    I take your statement as irony... Am I right ? I think I am. Nevertheless i considered him as a tight player after many hand played by him in this tournament and because he raised from UTG i expected him to hold one of these hands. Many times i saw people raising UTG with ATo , K9 or even 27o. For You it's a lame conclusion but it's still accurate.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 6:44pm) in reply to PocketKKPair

    so with no antes u wanted to defend ur bb vs. a utg raiser with what u thought was possibly aa or kk

    way to feel that 2 pair flop coming pffffffffffffffftttttt
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 7:55pm) in reply to double_kyan

    In the future just try to avoid spots like this all together oop; Unless there are a shitload of limpers and you kill the action. And of course you have the chips to make the call profitable.
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 7:55pm) in reply to PocketKKPair

     
    Originally Posted by PocketKKPair View Post

    I take your statement as irony... Am I right ? I think I am. Nevertheless i considered him as a tight player after many hand played by him in this tournament and because he raised from UTG i expected him to hold one of these hands. Many times i saw people raising UTG with ATo , K9 or even 27o. For You it's a lame conclusion but it's still accurate.

    sorry, no way that range is accurate

    are you implying that in this spot the villain open folds or limps QQ? JJ? TT? AQ?

    even the nittiest of nits is opening more than AK, KK+ utg
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    Aug 17th, 2012 (8/17/2012 8:22pm) in reply to CPOner

    As I'm just starting my adventure with this game I appreciate all comments. I believe they will help me to improve my game.
    Thanx.
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    Aug 18th, 2012 (8/18/2012 9:20am) in reply to PocketKKPair

    Call if youre at least 130 BB deep. i really dont think you are though.

    edit: just saw you have 7k. please fold
    Edited By: Hughes4 Aug 18th, 2012 at 09:21 AM
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