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DID I NEED TO PLAY SUCH A BIG POT

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  1. namgnojila namgnojila is offline

    Liverpool
    United Kingdom

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 10:14pm)

    rite, bad beat but thats not the issue, a good friend of mine is saying that my errors in the hand are that i overplay my hand. villain is calling station and has shown many weak holding preflop seein bout 35%flops with vpip of 37 after 45 hands.

    i felt he was weak and although suffered a bad beat would like any advice on any streets

    pokerstars Game #24993014995: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/02/16 4:08:58 GMT [2009/02/15 23:08:58 ET]
    Table 'Behrens II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: PUHI BAY ($15 in chips)
    Seat 2: joelleoj ($24.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: Miss Brent ($41 in chips)
    Seat 5: alijongman ($33.30 in chips)
    Seat 6: Northstar575 ($61.40 in chips)
    Northstar575: posts small blind $0.10
    PUHI BAY: posts big blind $0.25
    dsizzle1369: sits out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to alijongman [As Qh]
    joelleoj: calls $0.25
    Miss Brent: folds
    dsizzle1369 leaves the table
    alijongman: raises $0.50 to $0.75
    Northstar575: calls $0.65
    PUHI BAY: raises $0.50 to $1.25
    joelleoj: calls $1
    alijongman: raises $2.75 to $4
    Northstar575: folds
    PUHI BAY: calls $2.75
    joelleoj: calls $2.75
    *** FLOP *** [9d Ac 9c]
    PUHI BAY: checks
    joelleoj: checks
    alijongman: bets $8
    PUHI BAY: folds
    joelleoj: calls $8
    *** TURN *** [9d Ac 9c] [6d]
    joelleoj: checks
    alijongman: bets $13.25
    joelleoj: calls $12.55 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet ($0.70) returned to alijongman
    *** RIVER *** [9d Ac 9c 6d] [6c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    joelleoj: shows [Kc 5c] (a flush, Ace high)
    alijongman: shows [As Qh] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
    joelleoj collected $51.85 from pot
    alijongman said, "so sick"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $53.85 | Rake $2
    Board [9d Ac 9c 6d 6c]
    Seat 1: PUHI BAY (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: joelleoj showed [Kc 5c] and won ($51.85) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 3: Miss Brent folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: alijongman (button) showed [As Qh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
    Seat 6: Northstar575 (small blind) folded before Flop
  2. shady1128 shady1128 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 12:01pm) in reply to namgnojila

    There's a lot wrong with the play of this hand imo...

    Preflop: You've seen a limp from early position and you raise to 75 cents. I'd like to raise a little more here since you're laying odds. If you're going to raise make it $1-1.25 off the bat. Secondly, you get a min-raise behind you and the a UTG player who flats. This SCREAMS strength. He limped UTG and then flatted a raise. Regardless of the hand values shown down most of the time you want to slow it down, keep the pot small and see the flop. I don't like the re-re-raise here with AQ. It's not a hand you're going to want to play a big pot with.

    On the flop: Now that you've seen the flop and hit your A and get two checks you have to be a little cautious. If your opponent UTG flatted with a monster hand (AK, AA etc) you're going to be in a lot of trouble. There aren't many turn cards you don't want to see here so I don't think it'd be so bad to check behind, control the pot and let one of the other players take a shot at it on the turn. If you're ahead you'll most likely stay ahead on the turn. Now, keep in mind, this is with the size of the pot you've created with your inflated raises. If you'd kept the pot smaller pre-flop then I like the c-bet in position to play against one opponent.

    The turn: Nothing you're going to do at this point. You've committed yourself to the hand so this bet's not wrong in this situation. Seeing the hand your opponent had and how he played it that's crazy. I'd put a note on him and try to get at his table as often as possible.

    Keeping the pot smaller erases a poorer players ability to put you in a tough spot for a huge bet when you have a mediocre holding.
  3. namgnojila namgnojila is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 3:01pm) in reply to shady1128

    thanks there makes a lot more sense now
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  4. haphazard01 haphazard01 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 4:25pm) in reply to namgnojila

    I also don't like the 4 bet preflop, but when a calling station who's limping in flats a small raise and reraise, it doesn't scream strength. Position doesn't matter to these guys, so trying to find some correllation between his position and action is pointless because they're not sensitive to position. His limps are most likely suited cards, connected cards, weaker A's, or small to mid pairs. The only way he's ever got AA or KK is when he limp-4 bets in front of you. As played, on that flop, the only hands I'm worried about are 99, or some suited and/or connected card with a 9.

    Now 4-betting the min 3-bet is borderline suicide at these stakes. You've more or less turned your AQ into a bluff, so now there's about zero chance of getting money in from the 3-bettor if you outflop him. That puts him in a spot to play perfectly vs. you, and that basically means that you're going to lose money long term to him in that spot.

    On the flop, once I flop the A, I'm not going to drop this hand with the pot being so big. So after the flop I think that the rest of the hand is played fine. I never worry about a calling station until they get aggressive. As far as I'm concerned, he's just got two cards at this point. When you get into a 4-bet pot with 100 BB effective stacks and you hit top pair on a board like this, it's pretty much a mistake to not get it all into the pot. So once we get to the flop, it all has to go in.

    If you overplayed anything, it was preflop. But once that happens, the rest of the hand more or less plays itself.
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