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Did I play this too fast? (Value Question)

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  1. Kyner Kyner is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:44pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #3251480742: $17,500 Guarantee (24314795), Table 33 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:30:48 ET - 2007/08/14
    Seat 1: Hinti (7,860)
    Seat 2: parafrase (6,150)
    Seat 3: kimble83 (7,205)
    Seat 4: EZE LUV (10,149)
    Seat 5: Kyner (5,925)
    Seat 6: hydropoker (7,725)
    Seat 7: peeeedor (22,086)
    Seat 8: PRUAC (11,930)
    Seat 9: poker77701 (7,030)
    Kyner posts the small blind of 100
    hydropoker posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Kyner [5c 5d]
    peeeedor has 15 seconds left to act
    peeeedor folds
    hydropoker has been disconnected
    hydropoker has reconnected
    PRUAC has 15 seconds left to act
    PRUAC folds
    poker77701 folds
    Hinti folds
    parafrase folds
    kimble83 raises to 600
    EZE LUV has 15 seconds left to act
    EZE LUV folds
    Kyner calls 500
    hydropoker folds
    *** FLOP *** [6c 5s Td]
    Kyner checks
    kimble83 bets 750
    Kyner raises to 1,800
    kimble83 has 15 seconds left to act
    kimble83 folds
    Uncalled bet of 1,050 returned to Kyner
    Kyner mucks
    Kyner wins the pot (2,900)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2,900 | Rake 0
    Board: [6c 5s Td]
    Seat 1: Hinti didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: parafrase didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: kimble83 folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: EZE LUV (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Kyner (small blind) collected (2,900), mucked
    Seat 6: hydropoker (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: peeeedor didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: PRUAC didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: poker77701 didn't bet (folded)

    Villian has been seeing a lot of hands of late and original raise may just be a steal from the cutoff. My goal was to make the raise look weak, in hopes of a shove. Obviously it's hard for him to get away from A-10 or an overpair here, but in the long run is a flat call more profitable?

    -Kyner
  2. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:57pm) in reply to Kyner

    Hard to say. We really don't know what the villian had. As you said, he could have been on a pure steal preflop. Even if he had a little something (say A-7), it isn't looking that good now.

    Now you reraised him. If he has nothing, even if your stealing and he knows your stealing, he has a heck of a time calling or pushing here (since, by pushing, he's giving you nice pot odds to call).

    Odds are though, if he missed (most likely here), he isn' firing out on the turn anyway. Sure, if he has an ace, and it hits, you might get some action, but, it's hard to say By mearly calling preflop and on the flop, you may have already sent him enough information that it's time to bail.

    Just because you get a big hand doesn't mean you'll get paid on it. Still, at least you didn't give him odds to runner runner you here.
  3. keylow63 keylow63 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:59pm) in reply to Kyner

    depends if he has the tendancy to fire more than one shell. I like the raise on flop cause like you said if overpair or A 10 hes prob getting his $ in. Besides, since ur OOP, if u check the turn, hes prob checking behind u than folding to a river bet. I dont see to much value in getting sneaky IMO. If you were IP, much dif story
  4. KingPariah KingPariah is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:00pm) in reply to Kyner

    I dont think you have the stack to be calling here OOP to begin with

    On the flop I believe a small lead would be better and look weaker than a checkraise..that way you can induce him to raise you and you can either shove with a lot of money in the middle or smooth call, check the turn, then get it all in on the turn
  5. gimmidaloot7 gimmidaloot7 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:00pm) in reply to Kyner

    I think on this hand Flat calling the flop bet is a better play...The board is not that dangerous being 56T rainbow, and its pretty unlikely he has 78 or 34 the only hands you would be scared of outdrawing you. If the villan has been playing agro I would just let him bluff some more chips off to you. If the board was like JT5 will 2 spades or something, i think raising would be the best play. Just look at flop texture, and dont slowplay draw heavy flops.
  6. Kyner Kyner is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:07pm) in reply to lordxixor101

    Kind of what I was thinking. Ideally, I wanted to see a low flop, or a 5 with a King or an Ace. I figured by smooth calling the flop and checking the turn, he's only betting if he hits, and there's always the dreaded runner-runner that I let him see for free. Even if I check the turn and he does behind, he's not likely to call a value bet on the river.

    -Kyner
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  7. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:11pm) in reply to Kyner

    fold pre> call, esp oop +ur stack
     
  8. Kyner Kyner is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:34pm) in reply to KingPariah

    I know calling OOP here isn't the most popular play in the world, but I like it in my case.

    1) I'm in for 100, and it's only costing me 500 more. I can check fold any scary flop and still have 26 BB's before the ante level. I've heard pros say that you shouldn't set mine for more than 12% of your stack. I just barely fall in the safe zone.

    2) If I get a favorable flop I can stop and go. (You'd be surprised by how many people in these $26 tournies insta call with A-K and A-Q on a 7-high flop)

    3) If a flop a set, I'm most likely going to win the pot.

    4) This was my 7th pocket pair and I guess a little part of me felt due :)

    In retrospect, I really like the advice for a small lead on the flop. That still gives him the chance to bluff at it with two overs.

    Thanks for the replies guys!

    -Kyner
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