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difficult situation in a 60$turbo mt sng

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  1. zhiv zhiv is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 1:11pm)

    this is a hand from a pokerstars 60$ turbo with 45playrs /ca. 20plyr left

    PokerStars Game #16433757585: Tournament #83211654, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/04/02 - 12:46:57 (ET)
    Table '83211654 5' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: VendetaV (3120 in chips)
    Seat 2: zhivago2 (4700 in chips)
    Seat 3: lorenzo79 (1054 in chips)
    Seat 4: Jetfanmack (3335 in chips)
    Seat 5: goosepit (2565 in chips)
    Seat 6: pedropt (2432 in chips)
    Seat 7: gusab (3325 in chips)
    Seat 8: cerespoker (3191 in chips)
    Seat 9: b969t2 (1685 in chips)
    VendetaV: posts the ante 25
    zhivago2: posts the ante 25
    lorenzo79: posts the ante 25
    Jetfanmack: posts the ante 25
    goosepit: posts the ante 25
    pedropt: posts the ante 25
    gusab: posts the ante 25
    cerespoker: posts the ante 25
    b969t2: posts the ante 25
    VendetaV: posts small blind 200
    zhivago2: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to zhivago2 [Kd 3d]
    lorenzo79: raises 629 to 1029 and is all-in
    Jetfanmack: folds
    goosepit: folds
    pedropt: calls 1029
    gusab: folds
    cerespoker: folds
    b969t2: folds
    VendetaV: folds
    zhivago2: calls 629
    *** FLOP *** [4h 2d 7d]
    zhivago2: checks
    pedropt: bets 1378 and is all-in

    i call pre flop the utg shove 2.5bb and 1 caller because of the very good odds i get in the big blind with my suited K. i think this is pretty much standard?

    on the flop i checked, i wanted to check it down with the allin player in the pot. that was a mistake i think. i should have pushed instead. what do u think?

    but i checked and the live player pushed his last 1.3k in the 3.5k pot so i had to call there because of the odds.

    so what do u think of the hand what is the best play?

    would be nice to c ur opinion

    zhiv
     
  2. jon7alt88 jon7alt88 is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 1:23pm) in reply to zhiv

    Fold pre, with a caller in between you have no idea what his range is- deepish in these mtSNGs a lot of people are limping and just flatting raises with really big hands in order to induce bluffs from other players since when the blinds are high a lot of them are pushing in order to isolate the utg push. So i say fold pre, save some equity for later to steal blinds.
  3. camate camate is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 1:26pm) in reply to zhiv

    i play these and i fold your hand after pedropt calls all in. pedropts move of a call leaving only 1348 behind signifies a big hand and he is not trying to isolate, he really wants you to come over the top.. your are chip leader at the table and i wait for a better hand if going to try and take out 2 people at once.
  4. Redspade Redspade is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 1:27pm) in reply to zhiv

    If Im calling pre with that hand and get a flop like that Im goin with it. Your likely to have 12 clean outs, Unless villian is tricky and would flat with AA pre. Which actually is the only thing that makes sense since I would assume he would reship to isolate almost all other hands. Still drawing live and a possible backdoor straight draw. Hit to win.
  5. nuttedup nuttedup is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 2:38pm) in reply to zhiv

    fold preflop. As played open push flop.
  6. ianisakson ianisakson is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 3:14pm) in reply to zhiv

    i'd fold pre, the guy flatting for 1/2 is stack is telling you he has a huge pair and you're probably going to have to get the rest of those chips in.
     
  7. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Apr 2nd, 2008 (4/2/2008 3:31pm) in reply to nuttedup

    i think open pushing the flop is a mistake, betting flush draws are only good bc u have fold equity which makes up for the times u get called and are behind. here even if he folds u dont take the pot bc someones all in. dont bluff dead pots! i would check and hope it gets checked down to see if u hit ur flush for free. if he shoves i would call bc ur getting the right price. either way ur probably only winning this hand if u hit weather ur up against 1 or 2 ppl so y not give urself the chance of getting a free card. plus i dont even think ur getting him to fold on that flop, he at worst has 2 overs and has basicly no chips so hes calling ur shove. these often get checked down the whole way so i like the check
     
  8. zhiv zhiv is offline

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    Apr 3rd, 2008 (4/3/2008 5:37am) in reply to ianisakson

    ho folks, thanks for givin me ur sight of things in this hand.

    solution: the live player had Ah Jh. and i called the bet and didnt hit my flush.

    im still not sure if he maybe folds to my push on the flop.

    so thanks guys

    zhiv
     
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  9. mikeand mikeand is offline

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    Apr 3rd, 2008 (4/3/2008 5:47am) in reply to zhiv

    anything else but folding preflop here is terrible
     
  10. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Apr 3rd, 2008 (4/3/2008 1:24pm) in reply to zhiv

    I like a fold preflop

    Postflop, your check was good. There's no need to shove as you only have 3 outs (maybe!) to win the main pot if you miss your flush, and of course if you hit your flush you want the other guy in the hand. Check with intent to call any bet with the great odds.
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