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Disagreement about stats for 6-max NLHE

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  1. Alexcny Alexcny is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 6:55pm)

    I just started grinding 6-max NL. I have been 8 tabling 50NL and after a few sessions my stats are 24/15/3.5

    I got into a disagreement with a friend about the gap between my vpip and pfr. I have read some articles that said my numbers with the exception of my AF which might be too high were the standard for a winning player.

    My friend says that the gap between the two stats is way to big and that my vpip and pfr should be much much closer like 21/18/3.5.

    Just curious if any of the more experienced 6-max players could clarify this.

    Thanks,
  2. shooterkr shooterkr is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 7:06pm) in reply to Alexcny

    According to what I know (very little) both stats are relatively 'good' if you follow are playing straight forward poker but I'd be inclined to say you are limping a bit too much and that your friend is correct if there is a correct person here.
  3. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 8:15pm) in reply to Alexcny

    Seems like a dumb argument. Adjust to your table and play whatever style will be profitable. There's no 'perfect' number imo.
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  4. Alexcny Alexcny is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:11pm) in reply to m_hawk_1

    While adjustments do need to be made per each individual table after a large enough sample size it will round around an average number. I do think there is a perfect number but I think that number is different for each persons playing style. Some people can have a 30/20/3 and be a winner. I think you should be always be willing to adjust your stats in order to become more profitable. Someone with a 35 vpip and a 5pfr regardless of abilities will not be a winning player in a 6 max game regardless of post flop skill.
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    Sep 9th, 2008 (9/9/2008 11:19pm) in reply to Alexcny

    Those stats arent bad.... Technically your friend may be right in that they are slightly a little too spread apart(ie. you are calling a tad too much) but def. not a huge leak.

    I forget what optimal is(from what I heard watching a cardrunners video, so not a fact by any means).... Like 23/16ish to take a stab at it.

    Can i ask what your sample is, and winrate?
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:07am) in reply to Fife19

    I really dont have enough hands at 6-max to have results that would mean anything. I appreciate the answer though thanks.
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  7. GrayFOX22 GrayFOX22 is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 12:35am) in reply to Alexcny

    I ignore that information when it comes to myself. I find that it is only useful in determining another players playing style. What you should be paying attention to is if you are both in the green and also what your BB/100 hands is. The detailed stats help tell a little bit more about your game when you compare them to your results. For example, if your W$SD is low but your WTSD% is high, you are probably calling too loosely in spots where you are behind, particularly on the river.

    Having said that, most winning players I have encountered have similar stats. Seriously though, just forget about that and learn to play whatever makes you the most money.
     
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    Sep 10th, 2008 (9/10/2008 10:18am) in reply to Alexcny

    Maybe calling a bit too much, but not bad at all. Again, don't pay too much attention to your VPIP/PFR. As long as they aren't too all over the place and you're making money that's fine!

    Simple rule with 6-max: try and be in control, in position in a 2 way pot.
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