I have a big discussion with a couple of friends about a hand. I say that i fold it every time and he says he can not fold it, so here it is.

5th hand blinds 50/100 stacks 12k nothing has happen so everyone effective stacks is 120bb:

Utg+1 raise 300 i flat call 300 with 1010 bb calls 200 more. Flop Qc Js 10s bb checks utg+1 all in for 11700 i tank for a bit and call, bb has qs 9s. The thing is if you call with q9s with two all in in front of you and why????

I give results later on..

I call since 300 bb stacks are fun to play and there is always another tourney or something else to do in Vegas.

i d love to have gotten it in with a set instead of crushed every day in level 3 or 4 like every trny here this week

With this stack, i don't even like the call w/ TT but i've never played there so idk.

You're beat by a lot with 2 cards to come that can then beat you and you only invested 300 in the hand, let him bluff away with his whole stack if he is, he'll do it again when you hold the nuts

As far as Qs9s goes, i def wouldnt stack off on it w/ this structure, unless maybe there is a sick high hand jackpot

The UTG+1 just open shoved 11.7k? id have trouble calling with TT..

Cant wait to get back to the venetian deepstacks :)

(fwiw, i fold Q9 quite quickly)

 

Originally Posted by shanetrain22

Your call with TT is probably bad.

Equity-wise this is really close for the BB (stove it), so calling or folding are both fine. If he sucks at poker tho he should call imo, since he'll prob have a harder time chipping up than a more skilled player would.

Actually, I'm calling with Q9ss. Basically worst case is when he's up against AK and a set, and he'd be getting 33% on that (obv AKss is worse, but let's assume the deck isn't quite that cold). The times UTG guy has a set (or worse), your equity goes up big time. Yeah, call.

I am pretty sure my call is semi bad because i could have chip up pretty easy in other spots but I really put him on AA. The thing is the same way i fold a set the easier it makes me fold Qs 9s i do not know, that is why i am posting it so you guys do the math and i do not make the same mistake in the future.

 

Originally Posted by qjuice14

When he just has AspXsp you are only 13.40% w/ Q9sp.

Nah, he already has a made hand on this flop. Q9ss vs (for example) A3ss is 61/39 here.

 

Originally Posted by shanetrain22

Nah, he already has a made hand on this flop. Q9ss vs (for example) A3ss is 61/39 here.

Not sure how you can say from the action that he has a made hand on this flop,, but....Q9ss vs a3ss vs. 1010 is only 17.94% to win this pot. I am quite certain that you don't want your opponents to turn over 10s and a flush draw.

 

Originally Posted by elgordo420

The utg+1 shoved 11700 into a 950 pot yessssss, i tank for a while and called 11700 but i had like 14k at the moment. The bb called like 10k with Qs 9s, the pot was somewhere around the 35k with blinds at 50/100.

Utg+1 has As 7s

bb has Qs 9s

1010 for bottom set

Flop: Qd Js 10s


Turn: 10d

River: Ks

I know i know i would have not posted if he would have beat me, but that is not the case. I really wanted to know the math and see how many people call or fold with both hands.

lol

I don't care how easy the field is I would snap call with a set of 10's in that spot everytime.

 

Originally Posted by CalBandGreat

I don't care how easy the field is I would snap call with a set of 10's in that spot everytime.

Meh, we're flipping vs a pretty ridic wide range here. Widen it even more and it's still not a snap. Doubt "how easy the field is" would cross my mind during the hand tho, so I'm with you there.

Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.000% 47.74% 01.26% 63805 1683.00 { JJ+, AKs, As7s, As3s, QJs, AKo, QJo }
Hand 1: 51.000% 49.74% 01.26% 66479 1683.00 { TT }

i lost 50 iq points by reading this thread

 

Originally Posted by elgordo420

I have a big discussion with a couple of friends about a hand. I say that i fold it every time and he says he can not fold it, so here it is.

5th hand blinds 50/100 stacks 12k nothing has happen so everyone effective stacks is 120bb:

Utg+1 raise 300 i flat call 300 with 1010 bb calls 200 more. Flop Qc Js 10s bb checks utg+1 all in for 11700 i tank for a bit and call, bb has qs 9s. The thing is if you call with q9s with two all in in front of you and why????

I give results later on..

You didn't say what the original pusher had. On this flop with top with top PR & an open ended str8/flush draw I'm all in every time. I may be ahead now, not to likely but possible if you are both on draws. If its 2 PR vs. a flush draw then K,Q,8 and maybe 9 are all good. If its 2 PR vs. set or set over set then spades, K, 8 good. Unless both Ks & 8s are out I'm drawing live no matter whats out against me. In any case I'm getting > 2:1 to call with MONSTER draw :)

my 2 cents

[edit]
OK, I see you posted hands. It was Flush draw vs. set - the worst possible spot for the Qs9s. Still even making quads wasn't enough to save you - Unless both Ks & 8s are out he's drawing live no matter what he's facing.

I fold and berate him for shoving 117 bbs into a 9.5bb pot...

 

Originally Posted by rainmanrcp

I fold and berate him for shoving 117 bbs into a 9.5bb pot...

Ummmm - calling a raise to set mine then folding a push when you set up - how can that be good?

Yea its a bad board, but you can you just give him an over-set and fold this? Sure it could be a flopped str8, you're still ~30% on that. Its going to be one/both of the draws, TPTK, top 2 PR, PR + draw etc. enough to play I think. Clearly the BB was planning to check/raise given that he check/called a double push, but you have to believe he'll be check folding most of the time.

Bottom line, if you are going to fold when when he wants to play for stacks why did you set mine in the 1st place?