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Discussion Thread for Petition to Change Sunday Million Structure

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  1. fingaz fingaz is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 8:57am)

    I'd really like to make the petition thread nice and clean as a +1 format. I'm opening this thread for discussion purposes.
     
  2. unta unta is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 9:12am) in reply to fingaz

    Just learn to play the current structure better
     
  3. deadeyed deadeyed is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 10:11am) in reply to unta

    I noticed that 2 hours into the million with 33,000 players left the av stack was just under 30bbs....that could be some shove fest for 1.6m
  4. Ozzie Ozzie is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 10:29am) in reply to deadeyed

    and it's at 13 hours with the final table yet to be played... how long do you want it last?
  5. busto23 busto23 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 10:49am) in reply to Ozzie

    Lol the $3 abi fish doesn't want the $0.5 mil deal. He prefers to take his chances for the $1 mil. Please take him out on 9th :)
     
  6. Archem Archem is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 10:50am) in reply to busto23

    it's good that way ...all the other wcoop events and ftops are super deep ...one event with a little more gamble, it keeps it fun ...deal with it
     
  7. MastaP89 MastaP89 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 10:58am) in reply to Archem

    didnt they rotate this back in the day or sth? would prolly be cool if they went back to this and make it a 1k 2.5m w wcoop structure once a month.
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  8. iPlayTourneys iPlayTourneys is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 2:53pm) in reply to MastaP89

     
    Originally Posted by MastaP89 View Post

    didnt they rotate this back in the day or sth? would prolly be cool if they went back to this and make it a 1k 2.5m w wcoop structure once a month.

    Even though I like this idea, I don't think that would be good. The people buying in would be 90% regs and 10% sat entries. There will be little # of fish and this is THE big tournament with A LOT of fish....

    I like it to replace the s500 or an extra addition...

    For a long time I wanted the SM to change as well but the fact that the random $4 abi donk can win, is cool as well... It is a big part what keeps MTT poker alive and as profitable as it is. Every darvin moon can win the WSOP ME, whereas the structure is insane good... Luck is a huge factor and you need to get lucky to win tournaments.

    So this structure is good for poker in general. Just give more and better structured tournaments
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  9. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 2:59pm) in reply to iPlayTourneys

    stars mtts structures are shit imo. I'd love to see a structure like FTP where the blind levels start to last longer as the mtt goes on further. 15 levels are OK for sure, but for the love of god if your not gonna extend the length of the structures at least make it 20 min levels

     
    Originally Posted by Ozzie View Post

    and it's at 13 hours with the final table yet to be played... how long do you want it last?

    Theres 60000 players in it- this shouldnt be a surprise I was honestly expecting it to take 18 hours or so, but stars doesnt know how to make longer lasting levels so it didnt....Obv shove fest for the win.

    Was wondering earlier how many flips the FT players had to win....somewhere in the 40/50 range?
     
  10. fpdog fpdog is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 3:09pm) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    defintely needs some work for the premiere tourny of the week. Yes we do not want it to be ridiculously long in general but overall it feels like it plays more like a turbo. I went out with slightly under average stack in like 14000 with about 13 bbs left. I checked again later and with 600 people left or so the avarage stack was just over 10bbs. HOw can a major tourny like that have a avg stack at 10-15bbs even before the money has been reached. Im not saying making major changes but that is just silly for that to happen.
  11. B_O_K_E B_O_K_E is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 3:12pm) in reply to fpdog

    FFS it was a special million with 60k people in it. You guys are really complaining about a structured tournament with 60k people?
     
  12. PanchoSuper PanchoSuper is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 3:32pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    I believe that should be left, to keep the avarage joe playing but im also dissapointed with the sunday event structure. I think the SM should stay the way it is but change the structure of the Sunday Warm-up!!! It starts earlier 3 hours extra the earliest big major, make it a 20 min or even 30 min structure, that would be awesome Deep Warm-Up :) about this we should talk make it a 1M$ event with a buy in 320$ and deeper! What do you think?
  13. RedIceRap RedIceRap is offline Moderator

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 3:39pm) in reply to PanchoSuper

    I actually like the structure of the Mil. But what's kinda strange is that it looks like a deep stack tourney, but at the 2nd blind level players have only 100BB with their starting stack. Despite Im always doing well in them Id like the blinds to start at 10/20, 2nd blind level 15/30, and the rest as it is now 25/50; 50/100 etc. This maybe extends the tourney a bit but allows more plays at the beginning. Kinda strange to lose 10% of my stack in one ul hand in a 'deep stack' at the beginning. Dont know, this might be a better structure.
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  14. PanchoSuper PanchoSuper is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 3:40pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

     
    Originally Posted by B_O_K_E View Post

    FFS it was a special million with 60k people in it. You guys are really complaining about a structured tournament with 60k people?

    Im pretty much sure the disscusion is about the overall structure not only this weekend!
  15. hangoverharry hangoverharry is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 5:19pm) in reply to PanchoSuper

    drop the blinds 2-3 lvls when FT is set, ez game
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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 5:28pm) in reply to hangoverharry

    earlier antes. talk about awkward poker when its 200/400 no ante and the entire table has 7-12k. start the antes at 150/300, even if theyre small like 15. people always get aggro when there are antes, so this will lead to faster busting at the beginning and more deepstacked poker in the mid and later sections.

    the late game structure needs work too obviously, add more levels like the ones seen in the $11 25k, 5 quad, etc
     
  17. MastaP89 MastaP89 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 5:40pm) in reply to Goldenad

     
    Originally Posted by Goldenad View Post

    earlier antes. talk about awkward poker when its 200/400 no ante and the entire table has 7-12k. start the antes at 150/300, even if theyre small like 15. people always get aggro when there are antes, so this will lead to faster busting at the beginning and more deepstacked poker in the mid and later sections.

    the late game structure needs work too obviously, add more levels like the ones seen in the $11 25k, 5 quad, etc

    gotta start it at least an hr earlier tho or make it 2day
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  18. boondock11 boondock11 is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 6:28pm) in reply to MastaP89

    I say keep it. This mtt brings in a lot of new people each week, especially yesterday. IDK about you guys but I had at least one person at each of my milly tables that was playing their first mtt on stars. If a tourney can bring in this many people to deposit $215 then so be it. Changing the structure could have a reverse effect on this (fish are going to deposit regardless, I know, but not if the structure becomes impossible for them) and personally I'd rather have people keep depositing. Plenty of other tournies with better structures to play.

    I would be in favor of changing the warm-up tho. Since its earlier in the day and not as big of a field.
  19. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 6:42pm) in reply to boondock11

    Can't really change it. How late you want the Sunday Mil to run til?
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  20. PanchoSuper PanchoSuper is offline

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    Mar 7th, 2011 (3/7/2011 11:41pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

     
    Originally Posted by The Lab Rat View Post

    Can't really change it. How late you want the Sunday Mil to run til?

    Change the Warm-Up, simple!!!!! That is the anwser 3h 30min extra!! Amercians wine about the late play but people from europe start the Million at 10:30pm, that is sick ;)
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