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Disgusting spot vs Charder in 5k ftops

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  1. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:10pm)

    pretty sure flat is fine pre here, we are all prty deep etc. Flop flat is obv std, now turn and riv im stuck. His bet sizing is just so strange i dont know what to think of it. Any thoughts much appreciated.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10630217228: FTOPS Event #22 (73898353), Table 61 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:59:15 ET - 2009/02/14
    Seat 1: charder30 (15,173)
    Seat 2: John Newcombe (1,974)
    Seat 3: thedarktilt (3,244)
    Seat 4: SN8WMAN (1,165)
    Seat 5: TigerTee (3,815)
    Seat 6: doubledave22 (4,523)
    Seat 7: RealMonies (8,566)
    Seat 8: Julian Verse (7,744)
    Seat 9: Haligon (18,376)
    RealMonies posts the small blind of 40
    Julian Verse posts the big blind of 80
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to doubledave22 [As Qh]
    Haligon folds
    charder30 raises to 240
    John Newcombe folds
    thedarktilt folds
    SN8WMAN folds
    TigerTee folds
    doubledave22 calls 240
    RealMonies folds
    Julian Verse folds
    *** FLOP *** [3c Ks Ad]
    charder30 bets 320
    doubledave22 calls 320
    *** TURN *** [3c Ks Ad] [8d]
    charder30 bets 880
    doubledave22 has 15 seconds left to act
    doubledave22 has requested TIME
    doubledave22 calls 880
    *** RIVER *** [3c Ks Ad 8d] [5d]
    charder30 has 15 seconds left to act
    charder30 has requested TIME
    charder30 bets 1,120
    doubledave22 calls 1,120
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  2. Hub Dub 04 Hub Dub 04 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:12pm) in reply to doubledave22

    I don't mind your line here, I think Christian shows up with AK KK AQ lots of the time here. Also, he might have luckboxed the turn if he was C-betting a mid pair like 88 etc and turned a set.
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:15pm) in reply to Hub Dub 04

     
    Originally Posted by Hub Dub 04 View Post

    I don't mind your line here, I think Christian shows up with AK KK AQ lots of the time here. Also, he might have luckboxed the turn if he was C-betting a mid pair like 88 etc and turned a set.

    lol, just lol.
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:16pm) in reply to Hub Dub 04

     
    Originally Posted by Hub Dub 04 View Post

    I don't mind your line here, I think Christian shows up with AK KK AQ lots of the time here. <STRIKE>Also, he might have luckboxed the turn if he was C-betting a mid pair like 88 etc and turned a set</STRIKE>.

    Agree with most of this but........
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:18pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    On that note I don't think we are ever good here...could show up with JT or QJd at worst?

    His flop and turn bets looks like he wants to build a big pot but ur range is pretty polarized by the river so I don't see why he wouldn't bet more than 1/2 pot...
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:22pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    fold river
     
  7. doubledave22 doubledave22 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:24pm) in reply to wmmcl

    why call the turn and then fold the river? I think if im gonna fold itd be the turn knowin its goin to be a good spot to put me in on the river with his full turn betting range.
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:24pm) in reply to wmmcl

     
    Originally Posted by wmmcl View Post

    fold river

    this. turn call is "meh" for lack of a better word, dont mind call turn/fold river here but it really seems bad so i guess fold turn..

    river bet looks like vbet he wants called since he expects you to call most rivers once you call turn here but not likely that you'll call a shove
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:25pm) in reply to doubledave22

    You are good here like never. I think preflop and flop line is standard/fine. His bet sizing doesn't seem that weird to me, I'm folding this turn a large % of the time. The problem with calling again on the turn is that you're stuck in the pot and gonna be calling most any river (or I'd assume you would be).

    Fold river? Am I the only person who thinks this is pretty awful. If you're calling on the turn are you expecting him to check the river?
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  10. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:30pm) in reply to negativeROI

    Folding turn/fold river for sure seems nitty but unless he knows thatu know that he's not double barreling when it's assumed you have A-big kicker here,
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:30pm) in reply to darkcheck_

    Fold turn IMO.
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:31pm) in reply to negativeROI

     
    Originally Posted by negativeROI View Post

    You are good here like never. I think preflop and flop line is standard/fine. His bet sizing doesn't seem that weird to me, I'm folding this turn a large % of the time. The problem with calling again on the turn is that you're stuck in the pot and gonna be calling most any river (or I'd assume you would be).

    right if im callin turn i have to call river, decision should be made on the turn imo. its just sick foldin the turn cause such a disgustingly small range of hands beat me. But thats the thing, he rly does have a vry small range here. not sure wat to think
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:33pm) in reply to doubledave22

    alkjhfwe misread ur stack size, fold turn and feel good about it
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:33pm) in reply to doubledave22

    LOL, im such a pussy bc I fold pre vs a competent opponent here.

    Edit: youre otb....fuck it, i still prolly fold
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:34pm) in reply to doubledave22

    .....and what did did he have
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:36pm) in reply to doubledave22

     
    Originally Posted by doubledave22 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by negativeROI View Post

    You are good here like never. I think preflop and flop line is standard/fine. His bet sizing doesn't seem that weird to me, I'm folding this turn a large % of the time. The problem with calling again on the turn is that you're stuck in the pot and gonna be calling most any river (or I'd assume you would be).

    right if im callin turn i have to call river, decision should be made on the turn imo. its just sick foldin the turn cause such a disgustingly small range of hands beat me. But thats the thing, he rly does have a vry small range here. not sure wat to think

    but by calling on the turn, your cards are essentially face up to him, i think your range there screams AQ and nothing but. so if you call the turn and call the river your almost always spewing here to charder i think
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:39pm) in reply to sandler1860

     
    Originally Posted by sandler1860 View Post

    LOL, im such a pussy bc I fold pre vs a competent opponent here.

    Edit: youre otb....fuck it, i still prolly fold

    I must be a pussy too cuz I fold AQ here a lot of the time.
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:39pm) in reply to benvo123

    i think i agree w/ sandler on this one lol... i shoulda just muckd pre
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:42pm) in reply to doubledave22

    3bet/fold>fold>call>3bet/call IMO
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:42pm) in reply to doubledave22

    Dave your last comment makes it a turn fold. Since you think (and are right) that his range really is small here, he is competant enough to know what kinds of hands you are gonna continue with. With that being said, I really dont see him barreling 3 times without a hand that you don't want to see (or even twice).
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 4:57pm) in reply to doubledave22

    Fold pre
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:03pm) in reply to nemostars22

     
    Originally Posted by nemostars22 View Post

    3bet/fold>fold>call>3bet/call IMO

    wat
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:12pm) in reply to charder

     
    Originally Posted by charder View Post

     
    Originally Posted by nemostars22 View Post

    3bet/fold>fold>call>3bet/call IMO

    wat

    sent u pm
     
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:12pm) in reply to doubledave22

    I fold pre, feel good about it and focus on the $3R...
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:24pm) in reply to doubledave22

    fold turn.
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:27pm) in reply to doubledave22

    fold pre/
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:35pm) in reply to DoubleS00ted

    i dont see why everyone is saying fold pre. i def think you should fold turn, but folding pre seems pretty nitty imo... maybe this a leak but can somone explain why we should fold pre?
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:37pm) in reply to doubledave22

    def fold turn
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:38pm) in reply to doubledave22

    dont fold pf

    you should prob fold the turn a lot vs charder but i dont think its terrible to call turn fold river
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    Feb 14th, 2009 (2/14/2009 5:44pm) in reply to SCTrojans

     
    Originally Posted by SCTrojans View Post

    def fold turn

    ok this being said, seems to be a general consensus rly but if theoretically i should fold this turn, then jeez wat is he gettin value from betting the turn that doesnt get in on the river? I guess thats too much of an "in a vaccuum" concept where noone makes mistakes but should he be checkin back this turn?
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