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  1. Kidd_Deuce Kidd_Deuce is offline

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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:15am)

    I was playing in one of the WSOP second chance tourneys last night at the Horseshoe in Council Bluffs. We were in the money (18 paid out of 155) when I was faced with the following situation:

    Levels $800-$1600, $300 ante
    There were still 9 players at my table and I was in the BB. After posting my ante and BB, I had $3500 and was obviously very short stacked. UTG +1 makes it $4800 to go. It folds around to me. The pot already has $9900 in it, so I am getting just under 3 to 1. The first card I look at is an A. I have no choice but to play my pot odds, do I? I appreciate anyones thoughts.
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:18am) in reply to Kidd_Deuce

    oh yeah I think you def. get in here...
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:18am) in reply to Kidd_Deuce

    I think its an automatic call. If you fold, u will be left with 2400 after posting the SB and ante. anyone will call your all in whenever you decide to go all in. Its better to go all in heads up holding an Ax hand than to go all in and have 3 people call you.
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:20am) in reply to Kidd_Deuce

    u shud have shoved utg
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  5. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:26am) in reply to mattg1983

    Probably should have shoved way back when you had position (unless a single big pot brought you down to the 3500
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:40am) in reply to supermoves

    I agree that I made a mistake by not pushing earlier. Anyway, I ended up with A4 up against AQ. The turn gave me a gutshot to the 2, but I didn't improve and got eliminated in 17th. Thats ok though, it freed me up for some of the juicy cash games running at the time.
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 9:41am) in reply to supermoves

    ^^^^

    I agree w/ mattg and supermoves. I'd much rather shove with a weaker holding than call when I could be dominated. M<3 I'm shoving UTG with almost any two.

    Given your situation (M<1), you have to call.
     
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 10:08am) in reply to repo_man456

    You are way in the dead zone in this spot, and instead of starting a debate as to whether or not calling off your chips in this spot is right its probably more important to analyze how you got into this spot and what you can do different next time. The money bubble is likely 18, and if you just folded to cash it may be time to reevaluate your MTT game a bit.

    On the other hand if you simply lost a big all in and barely had the guy covered its no big deal. The good thing about having such a low M is you cant really make a mistake by getting all your chips in with any two. You need to double up 3 or 4 times to even have your head above water. When playing with <2BBs correct strategy is less important than just gambling and donking up a few times.
     
  9. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 10:19am) in reply to amak316

    Just keep in mind that when he was UTG he could have gotten his AA cracked or something...so his question does still have merit.
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    Jan 30th, 2007 (1/30/2007 10:51am) in reply to amak316

    I'll give a little context and will be interested to know if it changes anyones thoughts at all. The tournament had 150 players we started with 1500 chip stacks. At the time of my predicament the average chip stack was about 13,000. The "big stack" at our table only had about $20,000 and had an M < 4. In essence, everyone at the table was in a spot where they were going to need to make some sort of move. I admit I got a little timid (it was my first live tourney) and probably should have pushed a little earlier. I basically stole a round of blinds each round to get myself in the money. I got AA-KK-KK within 6 hands in the second level and did not see jack after that.

    What kind of strategy do you use near the end when the entire tourney is short stacked?
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