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Do I need to fold after his push...?

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  1. eeeark1 eeeark1 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:08pm)

    FullTiltPoker Game #5297483431: FTOPS Main Event (35825263), Table 566 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:28:18 ET - 2008/02/17
    Seat 1: gStAcKz23 (2,645)
    Seat 2: 007casinoroyal (2,102)
    Seat 3: af (12,680)
    Seat 4: Farzad Bonyadi (9,590)
    Seat 5: whoisnixt (18,505)
    Seat 6: BeepBeepImaJeep (13,220)
    Seat 7: eeeark1 (20,659)
    Seat 8: Wu_Wizard (2,620)
    Seat 9: papajack_1 (8,497)
    gStAcKz23 posts the small blind of 100
    007casinoroyal posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to eeeark1 [Ks Kd]
    af has 15 seconds left to act
    af folds
    Farzad Bonyadi folds
    whoisnixt raises to 600
    BeepBeepImaJeep folds
    eeeark1 has 15 seconds left to act
    eeeark1 raises to 1,809
    Wu_Wizard folds
    papajack_1 folds
    gStAcKz23 folds
    007casinoroyal raises to 2,102, and is all in
    whoisnixt calls 1,502
    eeeark1 calls 293
    *** FLOP *** [As 5d Ac]
    whoisnixt bets 16,403, and is all in
    eeeark1 calls 16,403
    whoisnixt shows [5h 5c]
    eeeark1 shows [Ks Kd]
    007casinoroyal shows [Qc Ad]
    *** TURN *** [As 5d Ac] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [As 5d Ac 3d] [9d]
    whoisnixt shows a full house, Fives full of Aces
    eeeark1 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
    whoisnixt wins the side pot (32,806) with a full house, Fives full of Aces
    007casinoroyal shows three of a kind, Aces
    whoisnixt wins the main pot (6,406) with a full house, Fives full of Aces
    007casinoroyal stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 39,212 Main pot 6,406. Side pot 32,806. | Rake 0
    Board: [As 5d Ac 3d 9d]
    Seat 1: gStAcKz23 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: 007casinoroyal (big blind) showed [Qc Ad] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 3: af didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: Farzad Bonyadi didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: whoisnixt showed [5h 5c] and won (39,212) with a full house, Fives full of Aces
    Seat 6: BeepBeepImaJeep didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: eeeark1 showed [Ks Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 8: Wu_Wizard didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: papajack_1 (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Is he only pushing 55, and Ax here? I insta-called, but thinking about it afterwards maybe I should have folded??? any insight would be appreciated.
  2. ashesofheroes ashesofheroes is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:11pm) in reply to eeeark1

    i'd probably call w/ KK also...

    maybe i just dont understand tourneys but i really can't see him openshoving the non suited, non connected flop w/ an ace or 55...

    i mean unless he was doing it as a matter of deception
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:12pm) in reply to eeeark1

    I would have folded with an Ace on board there. Plus I would have got to see the hand anyway. No need to go broke there.

    Edit and to ashes what types of hands is he shoving that dont beat KK?
  4. eeeark1 eeeark1 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:17pm) in reply to AFink93

    Yeah, didn't think about the fact that I could see his hand without calling. Actually I didn't think about much of anything. As I said, I insta-called...I'm an idiot

    You think he could be shoving JJ, or QQ though?
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  5. Illini213 Illini213 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:21pm) in reply to eeeark1

    It should depend a lot on how this guy has been playing... whether you call or fold, personally i think im calling a good chunk of the time
    edit: but then again it is the main event...
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  6. eeeark1 eeeark1 is offline

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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:26pm) in reply to Illini213

    I hadn't been sitting at the table for very long. He didn't do anything out of the ordinary up to this point.
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:32pm) in reply to eeeark1

    Call me a nit. And you guys are obviously better at this than I am. But Im not CALLING off 80+BB's after a flop with two Aces on it when I will get to see the hand afterwards with KK.. The way I see it is if they are shoving a hand that doesnt beat KK in that spot, they are either really really bad and I will get his chips later or they are really really good and I hope they break the table so I dont have to play with him anymore.
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:44pm) in reply to AFink93

    anybody else?...bump
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:52pm) in reply to eeeark1

    I think it's bad cause you insta-called with no reads. If I have no info, I don't think I can call here. I've seen people shove an ace here so many times. I lasted 3.5 hours in that tourney and never had above 10K in chips, great structure.
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 9:54pm) in reply to dams

    really though. Would any of you guys put any other pairs in his shoving range here or is that just silly?
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 10:08pm) in reply to eeeark1

    and if you would put any other pairs in his range would it change whether or not I should fold?
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    Feb 17th, 2008 (2/17/2008 10:38pm) in reply to eeeark1

    I def. see what AFink is saying and many guys will do this with an A.. in all honestly I would prob put time on and OPR the guy. If hes a crap player, im calling, if not then its on u, but folding wood work. I'd have many situations like this and once in awhile the guy does have the A, but its one of those things thats based more on the player imo. This is a medium-high risk, VERY VERY high reward situation as you will have a giant chip stack where you can bully ur table around quite easily...
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    Feb 18th, 2008 (2/18/2008 12:04am) in reply to eeeark1

    Yeah, this hand is all about 1) your read on the guy and 2) your stack/blinds. Since you don't have much of a read it just isn't good to be putting in basically 100BBs when you have no clue where you're at (and frankly, you'd need a VERY strong read to be making this call anyway). To put so much weight on him having something like QQ/JJ or any other pair 66+ is just way too spewy. You've got a very comfortable stack (and so does he) and in no way are either of you committed to this pot. You're not ahead on this flop nearly enough for snap-callage.
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    Feb 18th, 2008 (2/18/2008 9:29am) in reply to shanetrain22

    thanks guys. that's obv a big leak of mine (not thinking about hands at all 'til it's too late). I appreciate your comments though and maybe I'll be smart enough to slow down in the future. I think when I posted originally I was hoping people would say I made an okay call...but that's a little obsurd. must've still been on a heater. you shoulda seen how i lost the rest of my stack...i'm a moron.
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