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Do i trust my read or is it a must call, Trip Kings

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  1. totimer totimer is offline

    Edmonton
    Canada

    Posts: 100
    Joined: Aug 06

    Apr 27th, 2007 (4/27/2007 6:49am)

    No real background on the villain but ive noticed at this level
    on full tilt that ton and i mean tons of players min raise or even limp
    than if they get raised they reraise there aces so i immediately thought aa or kk and at worst ak
    at no point did i think there was another possibility

    as the hand plays out i hope i can check down or not get allin
    i think the alarm bells really go off when he checks the flop and half bets the turn
    the only reason i called the turn was hoping to catch the case king
    but than i realized im to commited to make this fold in a cash game
    in a tourney i would make this fold

    FullTiltPoker Game #2299143353: Table Marina (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:34:02 ET - 2007/04/27
    Seat 1: yaj7 ($48.45)
    Seat 2: GamBaLLer21 ($50)
    Seat 3: DeddMonae33 ($34.40)
    Seat 4: Fartein Valen ($45)
    Seat 5: g3n2_12psi ($53.75)
    Seat 6: totimer ($49.50)
    totimer posts the small blind of $0.25
    yaj7 posts the big blind of $0.50
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to totimer [Ks Kc]
    GamBaLLer21 folds
    DeddMonae33 folds
    Fartein Valen folds
    g3n2_12psi raises to $1
    totimer raises to $5
    yaj7 folds
    g3n2_12psi raises to $15.50
    totimer has 15 seconds left to act
    totimer calls $10.50
    *** FLOP *** [7h As Kh]
    totimer checks
    g3n2_12psi checks
    *** TURN *** [7h As Kh] [3c]
    totimer checks
    g3n2_12psi bets $16.50
    totimer calls $16.50
    *** RIVER *** [7h As Kh 3c] [Qd]
    totimer checks
    g3n2_12psi bets $18.50
    totimer: i honestly think you have a set of aces
    totimer calls $17.50, and is all in
    Uncalled bet of $1 returned to g3n2_12psi
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    g3n2_12psi shows [Ac Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
    totimer mucks
    g3n2_12psi wins the pot ($96.50) with three of a kind, Aces
    totimer is sitting out
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $99.50 | Rake $3
    Board: [7h As Kh 3c Qd]
    Seat 1: yaj7 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: GamBaLLer21 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: DeddMonae33 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: Fartein Valen didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: g3n2_12psi (button) showed [Ac Ad] and won ($96.50) with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 6: totimer (small blind) mucked [Ks Kc] - three of a kind, Kings
  2. RAISETOWIN RAISETOWIN is offline

    Hagerstown, MD
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    Apr 27th, 2007 (4/27/2007 11:24am) in reply to totimer

    You cannot fold this hand period. This is a hand you will 99% of the time win big with. Over the long run if you look at the amount of money you make with a hand like this it will be very high. You just got unlucky this time. Never fold this.
  3. DblDownUr20 DblDownUr20 is offline

    Irvington, NY
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    Apr 27th, 2007 (4/27/2007 11:26am) in reply to totimer

    I think this is a must call
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

    Westland, MI
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    Apr 27th, 2007 (4/27/2007 11:30am) in reply to totimer

    I swear, every hand I see with KK always has people want to fold them to aces.

    Yours goes one step farther, you caught your set of Kings and you ran into aces.

    Ok, what sort of read did you have. How long have you played with this guy? Why does he have to have AA here and not AK? How about AQ, is it impossible that he has 33 or even a QJ, Q10, JQ.

    You played this so passively. You checked on the flop and checked on the turn. He fires out an overpot bet on the turn, after you show weakness, it looks like a buy. Why not a busted flush draw here?

    I want to know how you knew he had AA, as opposed to just fearing the one hand that can beat you here.

    I think you really slowplayed yourself into trouble here. That was a draw heavy board, you need to be betting out. You could easily be losing on the river there, but AA isn't your biggest concern.

    Now, you had AA. If you actually had an amazing read, then fold. But, I don't see how you could have possibly had that read from this hand. Plus, not a ton of people have long histories together at the 25cent/50cent level. Not only do you call here, I think you could have repopped all in on that river (after betting down), figuring there is a good chance your ahead, and when you lost the money, you call it a cooler.

    There is no way from this hand that you should be even thinking of folding that hand.
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