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the "do not fold" button

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  1. yardle yardle is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:46pm)

    just finished up a cash game session and this question came up;

    how do you change up your strategy towards players that are willing to call any size preflop bet from any position and then simply call down to the river?

    this hand prompted my question;

    pokerstars Game #6882359885: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2006/11/03 - 20:04:41 (ET)
    Table 'Polydoros II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: DCLUBS ($1.78 in chips)
    Seat 2: 3.l4l592635 ($2.51 in chips)
    Seat 3: yardle ($6.08 in chips)
    Seat 4: pinball357 ($4.94 in chips)
    Seat 5: maro2516 ($10.27 in chips)
    Seat 6: Terace ($1.76 in chips)
    maro2516: posts small blind $0.01
    Terace: posts big blind $0.02
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to yardle [Kh Ah]
    DCLUBS: calls $0.02
    3.l4l592635: raises $0.06 to $0.08
    yardle: raises $0.10 to $0.18
    pinball357: calls $0.18
    maro2516: folds
    Terace: folds
    DCLUBS: calls $0.16
    3.l4l592635: folds
    *** FLOP *** [3c 4d Th]
    3.l4l592635 said, "lol"
    DCLUBS: checks
    yardle: bets $0.20
    pinball357: folds
    DCLUBS: calls $0.20
    *** TURN *** [3c 4d Th] [6h]
    DCLUBS: checks
    yardle: checks
    *** RIVER *** [3c 4d Th 6h] [5s]
    DCLUBS: bets $0.12
    yardle: folds
    DCLUBS collected $1 from pot
    DCLUBS: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $1.05 | Rake $0.05
    Board [3c 4d Th 6h 5s]
    Seat 1: DCLUBS collected ($1)
    Seat 2: 3.l4l592635 folded before Flop
    Seat 3: yardle folded on the River
    Seat 4: pinball357 (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: maro2516 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Terace (big blind) folded before Flop

    i realize it's a penny table. if you could be so kind as to start another thread for those jokes i would appreciate it. otherwise, what kind of adjustments can a person make when on a table of calling stations. i look forward to hearing your thoughts.
  2. yardle yardle is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:48pm) in reply to yardle

    hmm....looks like i should have continued my betting on the turn...
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  3. BKiCe BKiCe is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:48pm) in reply to yardle

    value bet any decent hand to death, don't try to bluff.
  4. WiCane WiCane is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:50pm) in reply to yardle

    not big even reraise preflop.
     
  5. delete22 delete22 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:50pm) in reply to yardle

    a. this is how penny tables always are

    b. if u know they are not going to fold then dont cont. bet with ak

    gl
  6. MBus28 MBus28 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:50pm) in reply to yardle

    you guys both checked the turn, and he led out on the river...how is this considered calling every street?
  7. stevel1017 stevel1017 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 7:55pm) in reply to yardle

    I play those tables, and have found, c-bets rarely work. This is a play for better players than you will find at that level, and it's hard to c-bet into more than one person. But if I do c-bet, make it closer to 1/2 the pot, if they fold 1/3 the time you break even. If I c-bet and dont chase them off, and dont hit on the turn, I'm done betting the hand. But keep in mind, if you hit, they will pay you off big.
    It also depends on your table image, If you have been playing LAG, your c-bets wont get as much respect
    But for the most part, just abc poker at these levels, they dont know enough to respect higher level moves
    my .02
  8. floppc floppc is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2006 (11/3/2006 8:08pm) in reply to stevel1017

    peddle the nuts and value bet all the way
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