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DO U have to call here? POT ODDS SAY ITS A MUST?

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  1. MookMonster MookMonster is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 12:48am)

    do u have to call here? i know pot odds say u do...But his thinking is if i have a K he needs to go runner runner...SO MY QUES.... DO U HAVE TO CALL HERE? I think he made the right fold and im glad he did cause a fold means i cant loose...lol
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    Hand #34741067-96 at Thu11pmB-005 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Powered by UltimateBet
    Started at 01/Sep/06 00:40:58

    Blaxn420 is at seat 0 with 1345.
    DanY1717 is at seat 1 with 8320.
    xaggr8r is at seat 2 with 4660.
    shark9923 is at seat 3 with 2660.
    cool0813 is at seat 4 with 0 (sitting out).
    dapster is at seat 5 with 6025.
    elwooddog is at seat 6 with 5510.
    KingMook is at seat 7 with 2135.
    dickerbear is at seat 8 with 5855.
    poker2367 is at seat 9 with 6855.
    The button is at seat 5.

    elwooddog posts the small blind of 75.
    KingMook posts the big blind of 150.

    Blaxn420: -- --
    DanY1717: -- --
    xaggr8r: -- --
    shark9923: -- --
    dapster: -- --
    elwooddog: -- --
    KingMook: 8s 8d
    dickerbear: -- --
    poker2367: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    dickerbear folds. poker2367 folds. Blaxn420 folds.
    DanY1717 folds. xaggr8r raises to 525. shark9923
    folds. dapster folds. elwooddog folds. KingMook
    calls.

    Flop (board: Kd 5s 6c):

    KingMook checks. xaggr8r bets 1125. KingMook goes
    all-in for 1610.
    xaggr8r folds, showing Qh 7h.
    KingMook is returned 485 (uncalled).

    Hand #34741067-96 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    KingMook wins 3375.
  2. MookMonster MookMonster is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 1:50am) in reply to MookMonster

    UMM OKKKKK ne serious replies...would like to hear some insight on this hand
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  3. Riverloser Riverloser is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:04am) in reply to MookMonster

    Nope he dont have to call..
    Potodds is overrarted at some points
     
  4. MookMonster MookMonster is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:33am) in reply to Riverloser

    i agree RIVER...BUt would u call here....all these crazy math nuts would say YOU HAVE TO CALL and im curious wat top players--like urself--would do//think
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  5. shipitthisway shipitthisway is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:35am) in reply to MookMonster

    yes he should have called
     
  6. skytzo skytzo is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:39am) in reply to MookMonster

    Easy fold to me. He got caught, and like you said, he probably has to go runner-runner. No point in throwing away 1/6 of his remaining stack on a prayer in a tournament situation. Lay it down and stop the bleeding.

    And pot odds aren't just overrated in tournament situations... sometimes they're downright useless
  7. Games Geek Games Geek is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:48am) in reply to skytzo

    Pot odds are never useless. If you think so, you don't really understand how to use them.
  8. Riverloser Riverloser is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:48am) in reply to MookMonster

    Hard to say for me i ofen dont put myself in that situation first of all so hard to tell what i down there..
    But very possible i fold depends on how many tourneys i play i guess=)
     
  9. skytzo skytzo is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 2:51am) in reply to Games Geek

    Pot odds are always useful in cash games. In tournament situations there are times when pot odds should be ignored in favor of surviving. Unless you're a tournament theorist with the "numbers above all else" mentality, it's hard to argue that pot odds justified a call in this situation.

    EDIT: In my humble opinion :D
  10. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 3:06am) in reply to skytzo

    pot odds r overrated and overrused on many cases...alotta online players thinks thats what its all about and make some horrendous calls.
  11. ahh_snap ahh_snap is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 3:07am) in reply to skytzo

    i call
  12. Riverloser Riverloser is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2006 (9/1/2006 3:09am) in reply to Cortz

    Yep some make "potodds" call on very low blinds with a good stack just becouse they perhaps have odds for it..
    If you belive you can play no need to do those calls..
    And i agree i have odds call come so ofen now and from all kind of shithands
     
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