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  1. Froad Froad is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 3:46pm)

    Basically down to the final three in a $25 SNG. From what I had seen SNGtafo does not seem to need a lot to make a move. If I call and win, well I win the table, if SNGtafo wins the hand, well I get second.

    PokerStars Game #19774870951: Tournament #103365207, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/08/20 - 22:09:08 (ET)

    Table '103365207 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

    Seat 3: nipps2000 (3025 in chips)

    Seat 4: FirstFroad (5120 in chips)

    Seat 8: SNGtafo (5355 in chips)

    nipps2000: posts the ante 25

    FirstFroad: posts the ante 25

    SNGtafo: posts the ante 25

    nipps2000: posts small blind 200

    FirstFroad: posts big blind 400

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to FirstFroad [As Qh]

    SNGtafo: raises 4930 to 5330 and is all-in

    nipps2000: calls 2800 and is all-in

    FirstFroad: folds
    ---Needless to say, they did not improve and a Q hit on the turn.
  2. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 3:54pm) in reply to Froad

    depends what you mean by not much .... what range do you have them on?

    i think pokerstove says fold?
  3. Jennifear Jennifear is offline Moderator

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 4:29pm) in reply to Froad

    Make the call.

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH width=40>PU</TH><TH width=40>CA</TH><TH width=40>OC</TH><TH>Range</TH></TR><TR><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD><TD>39.1%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q5s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s <<what SNGtafo should be shoving with</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>9.8%, 66+ A8s+ ATo+ KQs <<what nips can call with</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>9.5%, 66+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs <<what you can overcall with</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Unless your read is that SNGtafo is shoving significantly less than 39%, you are good to go here.

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  4. moman1965 moman1965 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 4:30pm) in reply to Froad

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD><TD>39.1%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K9o+ Q5s+ QTo+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>9.8%, 66+ A8s+ ATo+ KQs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>9.5%, 66+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>8.7%, 77+ A9s+ ATo+ </TD></TR><TR><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD><TD>59.6%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q6o+ J3s+ J8o+ T4s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 85s+ 87o 74s+ 76o 64s+ 53s+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>38.2%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K5o+ Q7s+ Q8o+ J8s+ JTo T9s </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    Accordign to Nash... you should be calling with AT+ here.
    Hope this helps.

    EDIT- Jennifear posted at the same time I did so I feel better about it!!! Plus, she is the one that taught me and she is the best!! (All but the bets on her Yankees, anyways!!)
  5. JACK WELCH JACK WELCH is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 4:32pm) in reply to pkalevar

    I ride the short bus, but doesn't nipps triple up if you call and neither you nor SNGtafo win???
  6. Jennifear Jennifear is offline Moderator

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 4:34pm) in reply to moman1965

    Nice work Mo :)
  7. djkelly69 djkelly69 is offline

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    Aug 21st, 2008 (8/21/2008 8:13pm) in reply to Froad

    I have to say my initial thought was snap fold, lock up 2nd place money, but interesting to see Jennifear's response. I feel it is a spot where cEV diverges quite significantly from $EV, but have no idea how to calculate this.

    TBH I really dont see him shoving as wide as that range here though.
  8. Froad Froad is offline

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    Aug 22nd, 2008 (8/22/2008 8:29am) in reply to Froad

    Thanks. hopefully I remember this the next time
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