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Do you call this shove from SS with 1 flat caller behind?

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  1. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 10:52pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #16234526004: $28,000 Guarantee (119448668), Table 9 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:49:57 ET - 2009/11/22
    Seat 1: DETROITTOM (15,626)
    Seat 2: BgsaPnaples (18,027)
    Seat 3: velfuego (19,485)
    Seat 4: Donnie05 (7,356)
    Seat 5: chenoaboy (3,462)
    Seat 6: Smoky McPuff (7,014)
    Seat 7: ZenguyH8U (3,820)
    Seat 8: Ghalduf (6,295)
    Seat 9: ConstantineRUS (4,615)
    DETROITTOM antes 25
    BgsaPnaples antes 25
    velfuego antes 25
    Donnie05 antes 25
    chenoaboy antes 25
    Smoky McPuff antes 25
    ZenguyH8U antes 25
    Ghalduf antes 25
    ConstantineRUS antes 25
    DETROITTOM posts the small blind of 120
    BgsaPnaples posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Donnie05 [Ts Td]
    velfuego folds
    Donnie05 calls 240
    chenoaboy raises to 3,437, and is all in
    Smoky McPuff folds
    ZenguyH8U folds
    Ghalduf folds
    ConstantineRUS folds
    DETROITTOM calls 3,317
    BgsaPnaples folds
    Donnie05

    No real reads, just got moved here and just doubled with 44 > KK AIPF

    I like just limping in with hands like this, because if I'm reraised after I've raised in early pos, the worst I'm going up against is AQ/AK OOP- much easier to limp in, MAYBE call a raise depending on how much it is, and evaluating on the flop
     
  2. Slingtownorbust Slingtownorbust is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 2:41am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    raising here may have helped define some hands cause right now who knows what your up against.

    without any reads or knowledge of the players i would be more apt to fold this hand. I do think you are probably ahead here most of the timethough . if chenoaboy is a good player he should be shoving a wide rnage that you have beat and detroittom probably knows that too and is calling a little wider.

    as played i think this is a fold cause you haven't committed too many chips and can find a better spot later on.
  3. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 10:52am) in reply to Slingtownorbust

    I would fold. I prefer to raise this preflop and figure out what you're up against. At this point, you're stuck not know what detroittom is playing. He could have a monster and hopes you'll go over the top and get trapped. Or he would have a mediocre hand but will have pot odds to call your push, which possibly puts you into a flip situation or up against a good drawing hand that would normally fold when chenoaboy 3bet shoves.
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  4. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 2:51pm) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee you found yourself in nomads land and now find a tuff decision. I also like a raise pre here and play it accordingly, but you really have no clue where you are now. L/C not bad either, but puts you in these types of situations. Because he has such a huge stack his range for calling a 14bb shove on a limper is probably wider than a 30-40 bb stack would normally be and I think a majority of this decision is read dependant. You have zero FE here as he would only have to call off around 3,500 ish into a 14kish pot.

    I press the fuggit button and gambol here. Come up with a range and run it in stove.

    Peace
     
  5. Donnie2005.2 Donnie2005.2 is offline

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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 4:37pm) in reply to Pick6man

    I realize that I'm being results oriented, but ss showed AQo obv not a problem- but then the cold caller behind had KJo << ?????
     
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    Nov 23rd, 2009 (11/23/2009 7:58pm) in reply to Donnie2005.2

     
    Originally Posted by Donnie2005.2 View Post

    I realize that I'm being results oriented, but ss showed AQo obv not a problem- but then the cold caller behind had KJo << ?????

    I figured the first shover for 88+ and AK/AQ so for me it's a fold. I guess just lol @ the cold caller's play and move on?

    But yeah this is basically a fold like every time unless you have a strong read that they are both donks. I'd have preferred the open shove with TT to take away any decision making preflop and also because lower pairs will call you very often.
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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 7:11am) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    I would fold. I prefer to raise this preflop and figure out what you're up against. At this point, you're stuck not know what detroittom is playing. He could have a monster and hopes you'll go over the top and get trapped. Or he would have a mediocre hand but will have pot odds to call your push, which possibly puts you into a flip situation or up against a good drawing hand that would normally fold when chenoaboy 3bet shoves.

    your just retarded
     
  8. Tacosontilt Tacosontilt is offline

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    Nov 28th, 2009 (11/28/2009 7:14am) in reply to Donnie2005.2

    your flat is fine, nothing wrong with it, id prolly do the same or just min reraise, dont ever fold here
     
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