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Do you make the hero call on river here? (results will be posted after responses)

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  1. w000tw000t w000tw000t is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 12:03pm)

    $50NL cash game.

    This is literally my first hand playing at this table on cake. On river I think his hand is polarized. Either huge hand or a stone cold bluff on missed flush draw.

    I honestly can't see him checking the turn with a set here. I figure he rivered a set of 8s or he is bluffing.

    Do you make the call with no reads other than how he played this hand?

    Hand#1874011561000322 - Pebble Beach (6-Max) 11561 -- $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em -- 2009/05/23 - 09:54:16
    Seat 1: (CHI*** ($35.05 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 2: Rake*** ($50.25 in chips)
    Seat 3: wall*** ($50 in chips)
    Seat 4: w000tw000t ($50 in chips)
    Seat 9: D.B*** ($58.80 in chips)
    Seat 10: djr3*** ($89.85 in chips)
    wall***: posts small blind $0.25
    w000tw000t: posts big blind $0.50
    Dealt to w000tw000t [Qs,Ad]
    D.B***: folds
    djr3***: folds
    (CHI***: raises to $1.75
    Rake***: folds
    wall***: folds
    w000tw000t: raises to $5
    (CHI***: calls $3.25
    *** FLOP *** [Th,3s,4h]
    w000tw000t: bets $5.10
    (CHI***: calls $5.10
    *** TURN *** [2d]
    w000tw000t: checks
    (CHI***: checks
    *** RIVER *** [8s]
    w000tw000t: bets $8.50
    (CHI***: is all in 24.9500
    w000tw000t: ?????????
  2. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 4:37pm) in reply to w000tw000t

    Don't make assumptions about players you know nothing about. Fold river. If you think his range is so polarized then check and let him bluff.
     
  3. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 4:38pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    Oh and most $50nl players are not bluff shoving the river. Assume players are random donks until proven otherwise.
     
  4. w000tw000t w000tw000t is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 7:41pm) in reply to w000tw000t

    I should also add that he shipped it in over top of my bet on the river SUPER FAST!
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  5. theeviltwin69 theeviltwin69 is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 8:50pm) in reply to rivverkiller

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

    Oh and most $50nl players are not bluff shoving the river. Assume players are random donks until proven otherwise.

    I go the other way with that thought,because it's way easier and way cheaper to find a donk. They always show themselves in about 10 observed hands.
    So for me this hand would be a fold unless I had the boots!
  6. lance0623 lance0623 is offline

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    May 23rd, 2009 (5/23/2009 11:26pm) in reply to w000tw000t

    No way I call this without any prior knowledge of this player when all I have is Ace high. Wait and pick a better spot; hopefully he makes a similar play when you have a hand.
  7. w000tw000t w000tw000t is offline

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    May 24th, 2009 (5/24/2009 12:46am) in reply to w000tw000t

    Thanks for the responses guys! I elected to fold this hand after using all the time I had. He then told me in chat that he had KJ of hearts... who knows if he was telling the truth or not. Since he didn't actually show his hand I assume it was probably a value shove. I just wanted to know what most others would do. I really appreciate your responses :)
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  8. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    May 24th, 2009 (5/24/2009 2:31pm) in reply to theeviltwin69

     
    Originally Posted by theeviltwin69 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

    Oh and most $50nl players are not bluff shoving the river. Assume players are random donks until proven otherwise.

    I go the other way with that thought,because it's way easier and way cheaper to find a donk. They always show themselves in about 10 observed hands.
    So for me this hand would be a fold unless I had the boots!

    So you agree with me??? Or do you assume players are good until proven otherwise?
     
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