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Do you still push all in when..?

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  1. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:07pm)

    Do you still push all in when you're <10BBs , have a pushing hand but someone ahead of you makes a raise..for example, these 3 hands from the $3 rebuys on AP..i mean when you know you're most like behind but also know , you cant wait anymore..

    Seat 1 - KAREN1814 (17,323 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ABOVAVRGJOE1 (17,955 in chips)
    Seat 3 - N2KFACTOR (4,815 in chips)
    Seat 4 - CHILIFART (25,863 in chips)
    Seat 5 - LINDADOOLEY (39,779 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BOWHEAD1 (21,351 in chips)
    Seat 7 - DACTOR (11,329 in chips)
    Seat 8 - RIVERMAN0007 (25,570 in chips)
    Seat 9 - SERINIDAD (20,398 in chips)
    KAREN1814 - Ante 75
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Ante 75
    N2KFACTOR - Ante 75
    CHILIFART - Ante 75
    LINDADOOLEY - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Ante 75
    DACTOR - Ante 75
    RIVERMAN0007 - Ante 75
    SERINIDAD - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Posts small blind 300
    DACTOR - Posts big blind 600
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to N2KFACTOR [Jd Kd]
    RIVERMAN0007 - Folds
    SERINIDAD - Folds
    KAREN1814 - Raises 1,200 to 1,200
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Folds
    N2KFACTOR - ........

    Seat 1 - KAREN1814 (7,723 in chips)
    Seat 2 - ABOVAVRGJOE1 (17,880 in chips)
    Seat 3 - N2KFACTOR (3,240 in chips)
    Seat 4 - CHILIFART (24,288 in chips)
    Seat 5 - LINDADOOLEY (39,104 in chips)
    Seat 6 - BOWHEAD1 (19,476 in chips)
    Seat 7 - DACTOR (11,704 in chips)
    Seat 8 - RIVERMAN0007 (29,845 in chips)
    Seat 9 - FISHERMAN193 (31,675 in chips)
    KAREN1814 - Ante 75
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Ante 75
    N2KFACTOR - Ante 75
    CHILIFART - Ante 75
    LINDADOOLEY - Ante 75
    BOWHEAD1 - Ante 75
    DACTOR - Ante 75
    RIVERMAN0007 - Ante 75
    FISHERMAN193 - Ante 75
    DACTOR - Posts small blind 300
    RIVERMAN0007 - Posts big blind 600
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to N2KFACTOR [8h 8s]
    FISHERMAN193 - Calls 600
    KAREN1814 - Folds
    ABOVAVRGJOE1 - Raises 2,300 to 2,300
    N2KFACTOR - ........

    Seat 1 - MASA15 (6,230 in chips)
    Seat 2 - SICKGAME71 (20,470 in chips)
    Seat 3 - MROSS01 (13,931 in chips)
    Seat 4 - LOSTAK (11,170 in chips)
    Seat 5 - N2KFACTOR (4,800 in chips)
    Seat 6 - JOY_2_U (7,988 in chips)
    Seat 7 - GECKO109 (14,630 in chips)
    Seat 8 - UNCGLAW (38,374 in chips)
    Seat 9 - UNGARSTU132 (14,883 in chips)
    LOSTAK - Posts small blind 100
    N2KFACTOR - Posts big blind 200
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to N2KFACTOR [7h 7c]
    JOY_2_U - Folds
    GECKO109 - Calls 200
    UNCGLAW - Calls 200
    UNGARSTU132 - Folds
    MASA15 - Raises 1,100 to 1,100
    SICKGAME71 - Folds
    MROSS01 - Folds
    LOSTAK - Folds
    N2KFACTOR - .............
  2. Appst08 Appst08 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:11pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    i think a seperate problem is you are letting yourself get too low.
     
  3. Jimmy2Tymz Jimmy2Tymz is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:14pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    First hand is an easy fold. Second should be an easy shove with ~5BB.
  4. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:15pm) in reply to Jimmy2Tymz

     
    Originally Posted by Jimmy2Tymz View Post

    First hand is an easy fold. Second should be an easy shove with ~5BB.

    even though i know i'm beat with all these utg actions?
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  5. aupoker1 aupoker1 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:22pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    1st hand fold, 2nd how do you know ur beat? you have a limp and a raise SHOVE and hold, 3rd hand same as 2nd shove
  6. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:24pm) in reply to n2kfactor

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Jimmy2Tymz View Post

    First hand is an easy fold. Second should be an easy shove with ~5BB.

    even though i know i'm beat with all these utg actions?

    if you apparently dont want advice dont post these hands
  7. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:25pm) in reply to aupoker1

    fold 1, shove 2, fold 3

    you're not even short in 3

    i mean i'm not happy about shoving 2, it's no bargain, but it can't be terrible. I mean if you want to fold, it's not gonan be that +ev, so w/e just fold, reads in these spots are very important.

    1 is an easy fold no question.
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  8. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:41pm) in reply to ronkend

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Jimmy2Tymz View Post

    First hand is an easy fold. Second should be an easy shove with ~5BB.

    even though i know i'm beat with all these utg actions?

    if you apparently dont want advice dont post these hands

    pls dont start it again...i am asking "even tho i know im beat, which i am 90%+ of the time imo, do i still push all in"...if you cant give a good answer, there is no need to reply
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  9. aupoker1 aupoker1 is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:47pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    do you have some kind of read where the guy raising in hand 2 is ONLY raising with 99+, thats the only way to consider not shoving imo, but at these stakes, dont see how you lay it down
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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:49pm) in reply to n2kfactor

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Jimmy2Tymz View Post

    First hand is an easy fold. Second should be an easy shove with ~5BB.

    even though i know i'm beat with all these utg actions?

    if you apparently dont want advice dont post these hands

    pls dont start it again...i am asking "even tho i know im beat, which i am 90%+ of the time imo, do i still push all in"...if you cant give a good answer, there is no need to reply

    Well since you can see their cards there is no point in posting the hands
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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:51pm) in reply to aupoker1

     
    Originally Posted by aupoker1 View Post

    do you have some kind of read where the guy raising in hand 2 is ONLY raising with 99+, thats the only way to consider not shoving imo, but at these stakes, dont see how you lay it down

    tbh, i laid it down , because i think the guy is a reg and raising a utg limper being utg+1, what i felt is , he cant have a lower pp than me , and at best i could be up against AK/AQ...i hate these spots :(
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  12. IBGrindin IBGrindin is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 12:54pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    1. Shove is fine imo and so is a fold.
    2. Horrible fold on your part, you should never be folding this with your stack.
    3. Clear fold.
     
  13. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 1:00pm) in reply to ronkend

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

     
    Originally Posted by ronkend View Post

     
    Originally Posted by n2kfactor View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Jimmy2Tymz View Post

    First hand is an easy fold. Second should be an easy shove with ~5BB.

    even though i know i'm beat with all these utg actions?

    if you apparently dont want advice dont post these hands

    pls dont start it again...i am asking "even tho i know im beat, which i am 90%+ of the time imo, do i still push all in"...if you cant give a good answer, there is no need to reply

    Well since you can see their cards there is no point in posting the hands

    i am interested in knowing whether my fold is bad or good..thats all..my mind says i am crushed here most of the time..thanks for the DRAMA , and yes, even if i can see the cards , i'll still post the hand..
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  14. n2kfactor n2kfactor is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 1:02pm) in reply to IBGrindin

     
    Originally Posted by IBGrindin View Post

    1. Shove is fine imo and so is a fold.
    2. Horrible fold on your part, you should never be folding this with your stack.
    3. Clear fold.

    thanks IB , guess i did it wrong on hand 2
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  15. iatetheredcrayon iatetheredcrayon is offline

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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 2:04pm) in reply to n2kfactor

    Fold shove fold. The 88, you have 8 bbs and yes you are ahead of some of their range, and you actually have a little fold equity.
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    Jun 12th, 2009 (6/12/2009 2:13pm) in reply to aupoker1

     
    Originally Posted by aupoker1 View Post

    1st hand fold, 2nd how do you know ur beat? you have a limp and a raise SHOVE and hold, 3rd hand same as 2nd shove

    shoving hand 3 is sooooo bad....
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