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  1. RigelB RigelB is offline

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    Dec 19th, 2008 (12/19/2008 5:51pm)

    <pre>In the first hand, when you are this short and don't have any fold equity are you trying
    to just fold and hopefully squeeze into the money when other people play badly or are
    you getting it in when the time is right and trying to double up. I figured it would be best
    to get it in on the other short stacks bb as opposed to folding. Basically if I fold, after
    the blinds pass hunraken88 and me then I will ante out before the blinds reach hunraken88
    again to put him all in. If I had enough chips to survive long enough that the second
    round of blinds would reach Hunraken88 and put him all in before I anted out then I think
    folding is probably better. Let me know your thoughts. The other hands are just my
    survival story.

    pokerstars Game #23069738688: Tournament #128147710, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
    Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/12/19 17:43:40 ET
    Table '128147710 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (975 in chips)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (660 in chips)
    Seat 4: kebo1 (1250 in chips)
    Seat 5: kkghgf (1045 in chips)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (8995 in chips)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (655 in chips)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (1420 in chips)
    Hunraken88: posts the ante 30
    rigelb72: posts the ante 30
    kebo1: posts the ante 30
    kkghgf: posts the ante 30
    ar2d22: posts the ante 30
    goldengod420: posts the ante 30
    jeffer6: posts the ante 30
    ar2d22: posts small blind 150
    goldengod420: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rigelb72 [4d 4s]
    jeffer6: folds
    Hunraken88: folds
    rigelb72: raises 300 to 600
    kebo1: folds
    kkghgf: folds
    ar2d22: folds
    goldengod420: raises 25 to 625 and is all-in
    rigelb72: calls 25
    *** FLOP *** [Ts 5c Jh]
    *** TURN *** [Ts 5c Jh] [9d]
    *** RIVER *** [Ts 5c Jh 9d] [Qs]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    goldengod420: shows [6s 8s] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
    rigelb72: shows [4d 4s] (a pair of Fours)
    goldengod420 collected 1610 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1610 | Rake 0
    Board [Ts 5c Jh 9d Qs]
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 showed [4d 4s] and lost with a pair of Fours
    Seat 4: kebo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: kkghgf (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (big blind) showed [6s 8s] and won (1610) with a straight,
    Eight to Queen
    Seat 8: jeffer6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    PokerStars Game #23069756158: Tournament #128147710, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
    Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/12/19 17:44:15 ET
    Table '128147710 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (945 in chips)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (5 in chips)
    Seat 4: kebo1 (1220 in chips)
    Seat 5: kkghgf (1015 in chips)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (8815 in chips)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (1610 in chips)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (1390 in chips)
    Hunraken88: posts the ante 30
    rigelb72: posts the ante 5 and is all-in
    kebo1: posts the ante 30
    kkghgf: posts the ante 30
    ar2d22: posts the ante 30
    goldengod420: posts the ante 30
    jeffer6: posts the ante 30
    goldengod420: posts small blind 150
    jeffer6: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rigelb72 [7c Tc]
    Hunraken88: folds
    kebo1: folds
    kkghgf: raises 600 to 900
    ar2d22: calls 900
    goldengod420: folds
    jeffer6: folds
    *** FLOP *** [6h Kc 9s]
    kkghgf: checks
    ar2d22: checks
    *** TURN *** [6h Kc 9s] [6c]
    kkghgf: checks
    ar2d22: checks
    *** RIVER *** [6h Kc 9s 6c] [8h]
    kkghgf: checks
    ar2d22: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    kkghgf: shows [Qc Td] (a pair of Sixes)
    ar2d22: shows [Ah Th] (a pair of Sixes - Ace kicker)
    ar2d22 collected 2400 from side pot
    rigelb72: shows [7c Tc] (a straight, Six to Ten)
    rigelb72 collected 35 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2435 Main pot 35. Side pot 2400. | Rake 0
    Board [6h Kc 9s 6c 8h]
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 showed [7c Tc] and won (35) with a straight, Six to Ten
    Seat 4: kebo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: kkghgf showed [Qc Td] and lost with a pair of Sixes
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (button) showed [Ah Th] and won (2400) with a pair of Sixes
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (big blind) folded before Flop

    PokerStars Game #23069786166: Tournament #128147710, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
    Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/12/19 17:45:16 ET
    Table '128147710 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (915 in chips)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (35 in chips)
    Seat 4: kebo1 (1190 in chips)
    Seat 5: kkghgf (85 in chips)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (10285 in chips)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (1430 in chips)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (1060 in chips)
    Hunraken88: posts the ante 30
    rigelb72: posts the ante 30
    kebo1: posts the ante 30
    kkghgf: posts the ante 30
    ar2d22: posts the ante 30
    goldengod420: posts the ante 30
    jeffer6: posts the ante 30
    jeffer6: posts small blind 150
    Hunraken88: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rigelb72 [Ad Kh]
    rigelb72: calls 5 and is all-in
    kebo1: folds
    kkghgf: folds
    ar2d22: folds
    goldengod420: folds
    jeffer6: raises 730 to 1030 and is all-in
    Hunraken88: folds
    Uncalled bet (730) returned to jeffer6
    *** FLOP *** [5d Jh 9d]
    *** TURN *** [5d Jh 9d] [Qc]
    *** RIVER *** [5d Jh 9d Qc] [5h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    jeffer6: shows [Ac 6c] (a pair of Fives)
    jeffer6 collected 590 from side pot
    rigelb72: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Fives - Ace+King kicker)
    rigelb72 collected 225 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 815 Main pot 225. Side pot 590. | Rake 0
    Board [5d Jh 9d Qc 5h]
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: rigelb72 showed [Ad Kh] and won (225) with a pair of Fives
    Seat 4: kebo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: kkghgf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (small blind) showed [Ac 6c] and won (590) with a pair of Fives

    PokerStars Game #23069810633: Tournament #128147710, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
    Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/12/19 17:46:06 ET
    Table '128147710 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (585 in chips)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (225 in chips)
    Seat 4: kebo1 (1160 in chips)
    Seat 5: kkghgf (55 in chips)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (10255 in chips)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (1400 in chips)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (1320 in chips)
    Hunraken88: posts the ante 40
    rigelb72: posts the ante 40
    kebo1: posts the ante 40
    kkghgf: posts the ante 40
    ar2d22: posts the ante 40
    goldengod420: posts the ante 40
    jeffer6: posts the ante 40
    Hunraken88: posts small blind 200
    rigelb72: posts big blind 185 and is all-in
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rigelb72 [Th 4h]
    kebo1: folds
    kkghgf: calls 15 and is all-in
    ar2d22: folds
    goldengod420: folds
    jeffer6: calls 400
    Hunraken88: calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [Ah Ks 2h]
    Hunraken88: bets 145 and is all-in
    jeffer6: calls 145
    *** TURN *** [Ah Ks 2h] [8d]
    *** RIVER *** [Ah Ks 2h 8d] [9h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hunraken88: shows [Kc 9c] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
    jeffer6: shows [Qs Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    Hunraken88 collected 720 from side pot-2
    rigelb72: shows [Th 4h] (a flush, Ace high)
    rigelb72 collected 510 from side pot-1
    kkghgf: shows [Ad 4c] (a pair of Aces)
    rigelb72 collected 340 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1570 Main pot 340. Side pot-1 510. Side pot-2 720. | Rake 0
    Board [Ah Ks 2h 8d 9h]
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (small blind) showed [Kc 9c] and won (720) with two pair,
    Kings and Nines
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (big blind) showed [Th 4h] and won (850) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 4: kebo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: kkghgf showed [Ad 4c] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 6: ar2d22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (button) showed [Qs Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces

    PokerStars Game #23069834975: Tournament #128147710, $10.00+$0.40 Hold'em No
    Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/12/19 17:46:55 ET
    Table '128147710 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (720 in chips)
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (850 in chips)
    Seat 4: kebo1 (1120 in chips)
    Seat 6: ar2d22 (10215 in chips)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 (1360 in chips)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 (735 in chips)
    Hunraken88: posts the ante 40
    rigelb72: posts the ante 40
    kebo1: posts the ante 40
    ar2d22: posts the ante 40
    goldengod420: posts the ante 40
    jeffer6: posts the ante 40
    rigelb72: posts small blind 200
    kebo1: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rigelb72 [6s 9d]
    ar2d22: folds
    goldengod420: folds
    jeffer6: raises 295 to 695 and is all-in
    Hunraken88: calls 680 and is all-in
    rigelb72: folds
    kebo1: calls 295
    *** FLOP *** [Jd 4d 7d]
    *** TURN *** [Jd 4d 7d] [2c]
    *** RIVER *** [Jd 4d 7d 2c] [4c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    kebo1: shows [4h 7c] (a full house, Fours full of Sevens)
    jeffer6: shows [9c 9s] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
    kebo1 collected 30 from side pot
    Hunraken88: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
    kebo1 collected 2480 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2510 Main pot 2480. Side pot 30. | Rake 0
    Board [Jd 4d 7d 2c 4c]
    Seat 2: Hunraken88 (button) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and
    Fours
    Seat 3: rigelb72 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: kebo1 (big blind) showed [4h 7c] and won (2510) with a full house, Fours
    full of Sevens
    Seat 6: ar2d22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: goldengod420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: jeffer6 showed [9c 9s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours

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  2. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Posts: 1,999
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    Dec 21st, 2008 (12/21/2008 12:22am) in reply to RigelB

    This is basically an ICM decision providing players play perfect.

    Level: 150.0/300.0/30.0
    Structure: 0.2/0.2/0.2/0.2/0.2
    Players: 7
    Runtime: 1389ms [300 Iterations]

    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th><th>Stack</th><th>Push%</th><th>EQPre</th><th>EQPost</th><th>EQDiff</th></tr><tr><td>UTG</td><td>1420.0</td><td>17.0%</td><td>0.1612</td><td>0.1669</td><td>0.0057</td></tr><tr><td>UTG+1</td><td>975.0</td><td>18.3%</td><td>0.1356</td><td>0.1428</td><td>0.00718</td></tr><tr><td>UTG+2</td><td>660.0</td><td>19.8%</td><td>0.1051</td><td>0.1113</td><td>0.00625</td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>1250.0</td><td>19.2%</td><td>0.1532</td><td>0.1594</td><td>0.00616</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>1045.0</td><td>22.5%</td><td>0.1407</td><td>0.1474</td><td>0.0067</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>8995.0</td><td>100.0%</td><td>0.1997</td><td>0.1997</td><td>5.0E-5</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>655.0</td><td>0.1045</td><td>0.0725</td><td>-0.03204</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Explanation:
    • Stack: Players stack before posting blinds.
    • Push%: Percentage of hands a player open-pushes.
    • EQPre: ICM equity before blinds.
    • EQPost: ICM equity after hand.
    • EQDiff: ICM equity change during hand.
    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th width="40">PU</th><th width="40">CA</th><th width="40">OC</th><th>Range</th></tr><tr><td>UTG</td><td>17.0%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s </td></tr><tr><td>UTG+1</td><td>0.9%, KK+ </td></tr><tr><td>UTG+2</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>2.3%, TT+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>UTG+2</td><td>1.8%, JJ+ </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>3.0%, 99+ AKs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.9%, KK+ </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>0.9%, KK+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>1.8%, JJ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>5.4%, 99+ AJs+ AQo+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>29.7%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s 98s 87s </td></tr><tr><td>UTG+1</td><td>18.3%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s </td></tr><tr><td>UTG+2</td><td>2.1%, JJ+ AKs </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>4.7%, 88+ AQs+ AKo </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>0.9%, KK+ </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.9%, KK+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>15.8%, 44+ A3s+ A9o+ KTs+ KJo+ QJs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>43.9%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K5o+ Q4s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s </td></tr><tr><td>UTG+2</td><td>19.8%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ K8s+ KJo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s <<< <span>FTA, you should be pushing all-in. You made the correct decision with [4d,4s].</span>
    </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>3.5%, TT+ AKs AKo </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ <<< <span>Here is the range thegoldengod420 should call your bet. He makes an error because he doesn't play perfect ICM. He felt pressure because he was so short he had to gamble.</span>
    </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>5.4%, 99+ AJs+ AQo+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>65.3%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J2s+ J7o+ T3s+ T7o+ 94s+ 97o+ 84s+ 86o+ 74s+ 76o 63s+ 65o 52s+ 43s </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>2.1%, JJ+ AKs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>64.4%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J2s+ J7o+ T4s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 84s+ 86o+ 74s+ 76o 63s+ 65o 53s+ 43s </td></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>19.2%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A3s ATo+ K8s+ KJo+ Q8s+ QJo J9s+ T9s 98s </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>0.9%, KK+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>1.8%, JJ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>8.3%, 66+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>34.8%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K8o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 97s+ 87s 76s </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>22.5%, 22+ A2s+ A9o+ K7s+ KJo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>16.7%, 44+ A3s+ A8o+ KTs+ KJo+ QJs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.8%, JJ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>47.2%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K3o+ Q2s+ Q8o+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>100.0%, Any two</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>78.6%, 22+ Tx+ 92s+ 95o+ 84s+ 85o+ 74s+ 76o 64s+ 54s </td></tr></tbody></table>

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