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Durr 50-100 NL Hand......

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  1. EddieO EddieO is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 7:59am)

    Im interested in the though process in this hand especially on river. Is Durr'scheck raise on the river for value or a bluff...and then why does CCourse just flat him with the nuts....couldn't he raise and still create the illusion of fold equity for durr.....? Or is the check there better served so that when he does raise all in on boards like that durr may call him down lightly knowing he occassionaly just flats a river raise with a single card broadway? I was pretty surprised to see the hands they showed up with after the betting.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #5276163839: Table Masolino (6 max) - $50/$100 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:48:36 ET - 2008/02/16

    Seat 3: CCUUURRSE ($45,398.70)

    Seat 4: durrrr ($20,497)

    CCUUURRSE posts the small blind of $50

    durrrr posts the big blind of $100

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    CCUUURRSE raises to $200

    durrrr calls $100

    *** FLOP *** [Kc Tc Ah]

    durrrr checks

    CCUUURRSE bets $200

    durrrr calls $200

    *** TURN *** [Kc Tc Ah] [7d]

    durrrr checks

    CCUUURRSE has 15 seconds left to act

    CCUUURRSE bets $600

    durrrr calls $600

    *** RIVER *** [Kc Tc Ah 7d] [Qh]

    durrrr checks

    CCUUURRSE has 15 seconds left to act

    CCUUURRSE bets $1,700

    durrrr has 15 seconds left to act

    durrrr raises to $3,850

    CCUUURRSE calls $2,150

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    durrrr shows [2c Ad] a pair of Aces

    CCUUURRSE shows [Th Jd] a straight, Ace high

    CCUUURRSE wins the pot ($9,699.50) with a straight, Ace high

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot $9,700 | Rake $0.50

    Board: [Kc Tc Ah 7d Qh]

    Seat 3: CCUUURRSE (small blind) showed [Th Jd] and won ($9,699.50) with a straight, Ace high

    Seat 4: durrrr (big blind) showed [2c Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
  2. midocean1 midocean1 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 8:14am) in reply to EddieO

    The Rake is the reason he doesn't re-raise. He only gets called by a Jack so there is no point in raising here.
  3. DexterCain DexterCain is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 8:17am) in reply to midocean1

    wtf? are you joking?
  4. UCBananaboy UCBananaboy is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 8:19am) in reply to DexterCain

    Def a raise as a bluff. What does he get his raise called here with that he beats?
  5. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 8:22am) in reply to EddieO

    collusion obviously, they dont want to pay a higher rake
  6. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 9:10am) in reply to midocean1

    LOLOLOLOL. You know the rake is fixed at .50c right?

    He flatted with the nuts.....nice.

    Oh and Durrs CR is obviously as bluff.
  7. UCBananaboy UCBananaboy is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 9:25am) in reply to Cortz

    LoL I didn't even see that he flat called w/ the nuts -- though it makes no difference because he's not getting any more value from Durrr
  8. OneUglyMoFo OneUglyMoFo is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 9:30am) in reply to EddieO

    bluff
  9. lose_to_overset lose_to_overset is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 9:30am) in reply to UCBananaboy

    Flatting with the nuts is really bad, sure he only gets paid when its a chop but what if Durr is multitabling and misclicks accidents happen.
  10. Zefa Zefa is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 10:47am) in reply to EddieO

    Maybe he flats with the nuts to see what durr check raised with.
     
  11. Annette_15 Annette_15 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 10:50am) in reply to Zefa

    Yeah, he obviously just wanted to see what durrr had.
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  12. danimsta danimsta is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 11:28am) in reply to Annette_15

    yeah either he wanted to see what durr had, or just figured it was a chop

    and lol @ rake comment....
  13. lose_to_overset lose_to_overset is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 11:36am) in reply to danimsta

    Very good point with wanting to see what Durr has.
  14. bbbbb33 bbbbb33 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 11:56am) in reply to lose_to_overset

    its still a pathetic mistake imo...

    if durr calls reraise, or shoves, then ok you prob both have the nuts... if he folds to the reraisee(which he obv does) then you can rest assure its a bluff.
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  15. lunchb0x lunchb0x is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2008 (2/16/2008 12:49pm) in reply to bbbbb33

    I like the play, he's never gonna get a call unless it's a split so why not take the free information. He can see what hand he he called with on the flop, bet on the turn when it was checked to him, and then check-raise on the river.

    Flat calling with the nuts is nearly always a mistake but the only value left on this hand is the information on an opponents play.
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