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Early in FTOPS 1k.....Whats your play?

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  1. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2009 (11/9/2009 8:56pm)

    No real reads, dont know how this pro villan plays.... Not that its a hard spot, and I have the intention of getting all my chips in all the way through the hand, but what would you do on the turn for value and why. Wanna hear some opinions cuz If I say mine it would be easy to guess what I did, and I wanna hear some unbiassed comments. Also, would you play the flop differently?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #15913912708: FTOPS Event #12 (109222744), Table 66 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:29:20 ET - 2009/11/09
    Seat 1: RockPrincess82 (7,586)
    Seat 2: baller11782 (4,579)
    Seat 3: MURIBE (5,820)
    Seat 4: papadelpoker (5,800)
    Seat 5: Leandro Brasa (6,945)
    Seat 6: Oban23 (5,270)
    Oban23 posts the small blind of 20
    RockPrincess82 posts the big blind of 40
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MURIBE [As Ac]
    baller11782 raises to 112
    MURIBE has 15 seconds left to act
    MURIBE raises to 335
    papadelpoker folds
    Leandro Brasa calls 335
    Oban23 folds
    RockPrincess82 folds
    baller11782 folds
    *** FLOP *** [4s 4c 7s]
    MURIBE has 15 seconds left to act
    MURIBE bets 500
    Leandro Brasa raises to 1,000
    MURIBE has 15 seconds left to act
    MURIBE calls 500
    *** TURN *** [4s 4c 7s] [6s]
    MURIBE checks
    Leandro Brasa has 15 seconds left to act
    Leandro Brasa has requested TIME
    Leandro Brasa bets 1,345
    MURIBE has 15 seconds left to act
    MURIBE has requested TIME
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  2. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2009 (11/9/2009 9:12pm) in reply to marroca5

    if he flopped 7s full then gg me

    im c/shoving turn expecting to stack QQ+
     
  3. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2009 (11/9/2009 9:39pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

    77's full
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  4. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2009 (11/9/2009 9:44pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

    Why is c/shoving better than c/c and c/c river......if he is value betting turn, isnt he value betting most rivers too, but maybe folding to our sove on turn?....of course, there are some scare cards like any spade, but It also gives him a chance to bluff in case he gets fancy, or to value bet in case he has AK with the spade king, which is something in his range....dunno, what will be the most profitable option?
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  5. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2009 (11/9/2009 9:56pm) in reply to marroca5

     
    Originally Posted by marroca5 View Post

    Why is c/shoving better than c/c and c/c river......if he is value betting turn, isnt he value betting most rivers too, but maybe folding to our sove on turn?....of course, there are some scare cards like any spade, but It also gives him a chance to bluff in case he gets fancy, or to value bet in case he has AK with the spade king, which is something in his range....dunno, what will be the most profitable option?

    no, a lot of players will check behind with something like QQ after u check call the turn bet. also you have to worry about the scare cards scaring him.
    it doesnt look like hes folding, but idk maybe u get more vlaue from c/c then leading river?
    i still like a c/s because only 77 beats u.
     
  6. marroca5 marroca5 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2009 (11/9/2009 10:07pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

     
    Originally Posted by Deoxyribo View Post

    i still like a c/s because only 77 beats u.

    This is the worst reason to justify a c/s....if he has 77 I dont care gg. Otherwise, I want to extract the maximum value possible, thats why Im not sure c/s here is the best option since he will fold many hands from which I can potentially extract more value. Also, I think its more likely he value bets river with QQ than he calls my shove on turn, specially since a flush can be in my range.......That being said, I do like c/c turn and leading river different amounts depending on what peels.

    Just to be clear I think c/s turn is fine, but still would like more input as to which line is optimal.
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  7. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2009 (11/10/2009 12:02am) in reply to marroca5

    If you are not going to check fold then why check unless you intend to check/shove? What are we extracting value from if we c/c then lead river? If he is bluffing or really weak he will never call your river lead. If he has a weaker made hand (basically any high pp with a spade; 67; some straight combo) he will be more likely to call your turn shove than an incomplete river, and if you hit he might not call anyway. If he has a made hand better than you other than 77 and x-4 (which is obv unlikely) you have strong outs. Frankly I am bet/calling here but since you checked it with no intention of folding c/s seems the only logical play.
     
  8. jimmydewrag1 jimmydewrag1 is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2009 (11/10/2009 12:13am) in reply to s.l. halper

    I would have shoved after his 1k raise. I am thinking that he has 88+ and not folding to a shove.possibly AQ,AK. Just my thoughts.peace
  9. Badmanv4 Badmanv4 is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2009 (11/10/2009 10:59am) in reply to jimmydewrag1

    I agree, what's been his range and play up to that point?
  10. Badmanv4 Badmanv4 is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2009 (11/10/2009 11:01am) in reply to Deoxyribo

    Maybe should've 3 bet the flop get some in there then shove on the turn?
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