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Early hand in Daily Double 10 buck tourney FTP

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  1. poguemahone68 poguemahone68 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 8:35pm)

    <SPAN>4th or 5th hand of tourney, no reads on players really

    I think I butchered every street and want to be publically ridiculed, I mean I need some advice on the hand please

    Full Tilt Poker Game #4405620100: Daily Double - A (32841447), Table 35 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:09:48 ET - 2007/12/05</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 1: poguemahone68 (1,950)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 2: webber286 (1,970)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 3: cubfan48 (1,860)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 4: samsomsutmue (1,880)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 5: bucket011 (1,600)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 6: pokerace9078 (2,340)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 7: maheilig (2,350)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 8: Quinn13 (2,080)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 9: leead129 (1,970)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 posts the small blind of 10</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 posts the big blind of 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>The button is in seat #7</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** HOLE CARDS ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Dealt to poguemahone68 [Kh Kd]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 raises to 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>webber286 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>cubfan48 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>samsomsutmue calls 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>bucket011 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 calls 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>maheilig folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 calls 50</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 calls 40</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** FLOP *** [6h 4d 7h]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 ???

    Should I bet more on the flop or is this ok this early with stack to blind ratio?

    ok, given 4 callers, the blinds check, what size bet do I need to make to find out who's who and what they have?</SPAN>
     
  2. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 8:42pm) in reply to poguemahone68

    Make a 2/3 pot bet. See what happens. If called, use caution and try to get to showdown as cheap as possible.
     
  3. AmSlim22 AmSlim22 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 8:44pm) in reply to sandler1860

    i usually open for a bit more than 3x early in the DD's bc u start with 2000 and lot of people will come along for 60. I would call with lot of hands facing a 60 raise bc of implied odds.

    on the flop i would bet about 4/5-Pot size and if get called then slow way down.
     
  4. poguemahone68 poguemahone68 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 9:05pm) in reply to AmSlim22

    right, lots hands call here and four of them did. I suppose 80-100 would be best UTG this early with 2k stacks. Even then all pairs have odds and this board is not a kind one to my overpair.

    ok, so I bet 2/3 pot to see what's up<SPAN>

    <SPAN>Full Tilt Poker Game #4405620100: Daily Double - A (32841447), Table 35 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:09:48 ET - 2007/12/05</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 1: poguemahone68 (1,950)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 2: webber286 (1,970)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 3: cubfan48 (1,860)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 4: samsomsutmue (1,880)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 5: bucket011 (1,600)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 6: pokerace9078 (2,340)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 7: maheilig (2,350)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 8: Quinn13 (2,080)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 9: leead129 (1,970)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 posts the small blind of 10</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 posts the big blind of 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>The button is in seat #7</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** HOLE CARDS ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Dealt to poguemahone68 [Kh Kd]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 has 15 seconds left to act</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 raises to 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>webber286 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>cubfan48 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>samsomsutmue calls 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>bucket011 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 calls 60</SPAN>

    <SPAN>maheilig folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 calls 50</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 calls 40</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** FLOP *** [6h 4d 7h]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 bets 200</SPAN>

    <SPAN>samsomsutmue folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 calls 200</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Quinn13 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 calls 200</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** TURN *** [6h 4d 7h] [Qc]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 checks
    <SPAN>poguemahone68 ???

    Think I really f'ed this up...</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
     
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  5. poguemahone68 poguemahone68 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 10:57pm) in reply to poguemahone68

    Well, thanks for the replies am and sand
     
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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 11:24pm) in reply to poguemahone68

    I check the turn here.
     
  7. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 11:34pm) in reply to poguemahone68

    I will sum it up pretty easily.. You have KK in a 10 dollar tourney

    You raise to 100 pre flop.. You will get some action. You bet the flop. You bet the turn. You bet the river.. Simple. This board cant scare you and if someone happened to flop a set on you.. Oh well UL and fire up another.
  8. poguemahone68 poguemahone68 is offline

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    Dec 5th, 2007 (12/5/2007 11:54pm) in reply to AFink93

    brilliant annalysis afink, it's only ten bucks and OMG I HAVE A HUUUUGE PAIR!!! bet every street and don't think, just BET BET BET DAMNIT!

    OK Sandler, not sure if you'll keep responding, but I appreciate you playing along

    So, I checked the turn. I felt it was time to slow down and don't want this pot to get so big, I just can't get out.

    Then, I get the ole 20 chip bet into a 840 pot and a call , what next?
    <SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** TURN *** [6h 4d 7h] [Qc]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 bets 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 calls 20
    </SPAN><SPAN>poguemahone68 ???</SPAN></SPAN>
     
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  9. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 1:08am) in reply to poguemahone68

    Lol, idk wtf to make of that bet. I mean I kinda wanna change my mind and raise for value now! His bet is basically the same as a check, tho. So i guess you could just call and see a free river. But I would say you have them both beat about 75% of the time here. I wouldnt fault you if u stuck in a little value raise of 250-300 or so.
     
  10. lentes130 lentes130 is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 1:14am) in reply to sandler1860

    I would say you still have the best hand and the others are drawing. I agree with the value bet on the turn of 300 or so. If reraise your move is fold and if a scary card comes on the river you can check it since you have position if gets to you with no bets
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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 1:40am) in reply to sandler1860

    "since you have position" but I don't have position...

    Yeah, I didn't know what to make, I just hate that move and know that 95% of the time it's air, but what re-raise amount is correct to find out. I'm not worried about the caller anymore. I did re-raise, but too little and I think should have bet more, especially since both are pretty much telling me they're drawing.

    <SPAN>*** TURN *** [6h 4d 7h] [Qc]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 bets 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 calls 20</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 raises to 140</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 calls 120</SPAN>

    <SPAN>leead129 folds</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** RIVER *** [6h 4d 7h Qc] [5s]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 ???

    So the river bothered me a bit, but only 3 hands he could have that wasn't beating me before the river that I could put him on, 78, 45 or 89 are beating me now. Value bet or check and see what he does, given his brilliant 20 turn bet?</SPAN>
     
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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 2:01am) in reply to poguemahone68

    check live another day
     
  13. rmoriar1 rmoriar1 is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 2:09am) in reply to anticure

    chk he has 58
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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 2:19am) in reply to poguemahone68

    haha, what a shitty river. thats about all i can say.
     
  15. poguemahone68 poguemahone68 is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 2:39am) in reply to sandler1860

    It was shitty, but I think a 4, 8 or heart are worse for me here. So I was still unsure what to do and thought I'd just check as betting this river didn't seem right. I never really knew where he was in this hand.

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 checks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** SHOW DOWN ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 shows [Kh Kd] a pair of Kings</SPAN>

    <SPAN>pokerace9078 mucks</SPAN>

    <SPAN>poguemahone68 wins the pot (1,200) with a pair of Kings</SPAN>

    <SPAN>*** SUMMARY ***</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Total pot 1,200 | Rake 0</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Board: [6h 4d 7h Qc 5s]</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 1: poguemahone68 showed [Kh Kd] and won (1,200) with a pair of Kings</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 2: webber286 didn't bet (folded)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 3: cubfan48 didn't bet (folded)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 4: samsomsutmue folded on the Flop</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 5: bucket011 didn't bet (folded)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 6: pokerace9078 mucked [5h 9h] - a pair of Fives</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 7: maheilig (button) didn't bet (folded)</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 8: Quinn13 (small blind) folded on the Flop</SPAN>

    <SPAN>Seat 9: leead129 (big blind) folded on the Turn

    If I were him, I would have played his hand a tad differently, but I think I missed some value in this hand.

    So is this a fair assessment?

    Raise to 80-100 preflop

    Flop bet is fine

    turn check is ok?

    re-raise his 20 chip bet to 240-300?

    check river, but fold to most any bet on river?</SPAN>
     
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  16. Sane Man Sane Man is offline

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    Dec 6th, 2007 (12/6/2007 7:30am) in reply to poguemahone68

    Turn check not ok on that board. Q shouldnt scare you and if youre ahead on the flop, youre ahead on the turn against any 5 and any flush draw. 3/4 pot on turn. Then check/call river on a whiff board (non heart 3 or 8)
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