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  1. Kcannon Kcannon is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:03pm)

    What is your play here? do you go with it even though its so early in the tourney, or just lay it down and move on?
    Dealt to Kcannon [7s 7c]
    baeringss: folds
    football0000: calls 50
    LeeNelsonP*: folds
    nofingclue11: raises 200 to 250
    Sdouble: folds
    Kcannon: calls 250
    Naglo: calls 250
    Harrington10: calls 225
    jus2awsum: folds
    football0000: calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [9s 7d Kd]
    Harrington10: checks
    football0000: checks
    nofingclue11: bets 700
    Kcannon: calls 700
    Naglo: folds
    Harrington10: folds
    football0000: raises 2200 to 2900
    nofingclue11: raises 9515 to 12415 and is all-in
     
  2. JHaas07 JHaas07 is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:04pm) in reply to Kcannon

    Snap call
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:05pm) in reply to Kcannon

    ive never folded a set in a tourney but this looks like a good spot to do so,you arent invested too much, football pry has 99 or some huge draw and nofingclue has AA or KK. idk that really tough folds prolly correct though
     
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:09pm) in reply to Kcannon

    If this tournament had no satelites, I might fold, but theres a good chance nofingclue really has nofingclue and is playing AA or AK like the nuts.
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  5. scarface_79 scarface_79 is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:13pm) in reply to Kcannon

    nofingclue11, lol at name. he apparently has already lost a decent pot, and alota times ppl are more apt to gamble when they lose a chunk of their stack early. Although im guessing he has either AK or AA. id just worry about football0000, but he can flush draw, KQ, J10, who knows. screw it, gamble, u got outs or rather AN out if u wrong :)

    btw, football0000 made a more than 4x raise and ppl dont usually play sets that fast
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:16pm) in reply to Kcannon

    um... i fold =\
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:17pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    actually god i really can't decide... i just feel like you're praying you're either up against two complete retards, or AA and JTdd... i don't know what other hands that you beat that are willing to go broke for so many chips so early in this tourney...

    wqejelqjkwlwjlkewqkje wqljelk but it's a set!!! bah.... rly tough spot
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:19pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    I fold
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:20pm) in reply to Kcannon

    wow
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:21pm) in reply to Kcannon

    every one of them
     
  11. Kcannon Kcannon is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:23pm) in reply to darrenelias

    What do you think Football's range is?
     
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:25pm) in reply to Kcannon

    99,A7dd,T8dd,68dd,QJdd, maybe K9s
     
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:27pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    this is where the pokerdb is v helpful in making decisions. especially the average buy in info
     
  14. scarface_79 scarface_79 is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:29pm) in reply to FishOnTilt

    what about J10 or J10dd?
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:34pm) in reply to scarface_79

    Either time bank a little so you look cool before you call if your beat and can call it a bigger cooler,
    or instasnaphellmuthcall.

    i prefer instasnaphellmuth.
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:37pm) in reply to YourTimeIsUp

    Kyle you are the biggest nit ever. Put your dam chips in
     
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:39pm) in reply to Kcannon

    This is a tough spot but I think there is a really good chance, actually, that you may have them both drawing very slim. I think you can rule out football0000 from having KK in this spot. If he had kk and limped, he surely would have repopped it after a 5x raise and a call, 99 is a possibility but probably more likely he is overplaying a hand like kq or an ace high flush draw and sees this as a good spot to gamble w/ his shorter stack b/c the pot is already 70% of his stack. 10j of di is also likely from the way he played the hand.

    I think that nofingclue11 certainly has a real hand but way too many players would isolate again w/ AA or ak in this spot like he did. The likelyhood of those hands are greater than KK. I think their are fewer people that would go allin over the top w/ the nuts than there are that would with aa or ak(not that it is a better play). I think there is only about a 30-40% chance that you are beat but you are in a getting great odds to tripple up. I know it is early and you'd rather not get your chips in when there is a fair chance that you are beaten but i think the reward here out weighs the risk b/c this is such a monster pot, tough to pass up in a tournament.
     
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:47pm) in reply to Crazy Cypriot

    yeah, i'd def bank and db them both. neither of these guys seems like a complete tard so i'd probably fold then vomit.
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:50pm) in reply to Kenny Rap

    I dont think Helmuth even folds this here.
    But I'll bet $100 Kcannon did.
    And Ill bet another $100 it was the right fold.
    You are a sicko.
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:52pm) in reply to Kcannon

    Step 1- Snap call.

    Step 2- Hate life when he shows 999.

    Step 3- Hit 7 on riv.

    Step 4- Scoop.

    also, lol at your smooth call.
     
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 5:52pm) in reply to thwlvssmllfr

    I bet he folded and was wrong....
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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 6:05pm) in reply to apestyles

    Not betting against him folding this.

    HH Kc ?
  23. Kcannon Kcannon is offline

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    Sep 23rd, 2007 (9/23/2007 10:39pm) in reply to apestyles

    Cant find the History but the guy who shoved had AKo, and the other guy had 910dd, I thought about it and figured one prob has the flush draw but there is no need to attempt to go broke this early into a LONG tourney....It was also possible that Football could have 99 after the limp call I thought
     
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