Full Tilt Poker Game #24155143990: $15,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (186651333), Table 17 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:13:05 ET - 2010/09/24
Seat 1: rhyyno45 (15,805)
Seat 2: RooRz (14,986)
Seat 3: Dave75 (14,623)
Seat 4: Tee Crow (32,828)
Seat 5: wejo (36,509)
Seat 6: kmksmkn (15,721)
Seat 7: tstubbs313 (7,492)
Seat 8: Oo DiScO oO (16,405)
Seat 9: OOTHEGIFTOO (9,839)
rhyyno45 antes 50
RooRz antes 50
Dave75 antes 50
Tee Crow antes 50
wejo antes 50
kmksmkn antes 50
tstubbs313 antes 50
Oo DiScO oO antes 50
OOTHEGIFTOO antes 50
tstubbs313 posts the small blind of 250
Oo DiScO oO posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Oo DiScO oO [Qh Ah]
OOTHEGIFTOO folds
rhyyno45 folds
RooRz folds
Dave75 folds
Tee Crow raises to 1,500
wejo calls 1,500
kmksmkn folds
tstubbs313 folds
Oo DiScO oO has 15 seconds left to act
Oo DiScO oO raises to 5,050

opener isnt a nit but hasnt been out of line, everyone has been playing pretty ABC, id seen wejo flat a couple opens before so this didnt alarm me at all. just wanted to check up see peoples inputs in spots like this, because this is pretty much my standard play here... any1 playing this differently at all? this is the nighttime 10r on FTP btw.

no, he didnt have AK, and the results are irrelevant anyways, wanna stop being a tool and give some input?

i personally feel that the sizing difference there doesnt really matter as ur highly unlikely to get flatted, and if i do its not too rough of a spot anyway- im slamming any flop having just a pot sized bet left. any1 else got anything? interested in hearing how people approach spots like these sitting on stack sizes similar to this. thank you tho chief.

 

Originally Posted by ZenEnso

As long as you know all the chips are going in then the squeeze is fine but I personally would shove it to make it look weaker. If the flop is bland people always put you on AQ/AK anyways so it's a standard call if you do shove and their 9-10 hit and they were pot-committed.

I don't see why you would be wanting to look weaker, what are you hoping will call you, aj? i doubt that would happen since a shove here would look exactly like Ak/Aq. I think you would want to look as strong as possible to get him to lay down as many of his mid pairs as possible, so if a smaller raise to 5 or 6k looks stronger i'd say that's the best play.
nothing wrong with the way you played it in my opinion

AQ/AK aren't hands I'm wild about playing OOP vs two opponents, and I don't like the idea of three-betting more than one-third of my stack when I'll miss the flop 70% of the time.

For these reasons, I much prefer the shove here.

Your sizing seems to big IMO, I'd make it 3900-4200ish to induce spazzes and flats from worse. And yea make sure u get it in on any flop

This looks A-ok to me. As you point out, you're unlikely to get flatted but sometimes in the smaller buy-in stuff I play I will just shove this pre because people are more than happy to flat here and if you whiff the flop, which you will 2/3 the time, you're in a messy spot. WP, nh etc.

 

Originally Posted by el arracachero

Not this, you want the guy to forfeit his equity of the pot and you collect the dead money. Even an spazz hand has decent equity against you. And you dont want to be flatted neither as you will have to shove almost every flop unless you flop gin.

Look at it like this: If you think that all the hands that are gonna flat or re-shove that you are beating will still flat or reshove if you make it 5.5k (instead of 4k )... Than 5.5k is fine.

Otherwise, you want to induce worse hands to reshove (and even flat) in order to get the most value from the hands you beat. You do not want to fold out hands that you beat which are willing to put more chips in because you are scared of getting sucked out. It happens. The most +EV play is to get worse hands to give you as much value as possible when they normally wouldnt.

I think in order to accomplish this you can lower your sizing as long as you plan on getting it in verse their whole range on all flops.

Also, think about it like this: If you have AA here instead of AQhh, do you still make it 5.5k? If you make it 5.5k lets say 66% of the time they both fold and you earn 3750. The other 33% of the time you get flatted by 1 or 2 people and reshoved on a smaller %. You've now earned an extra 5.5k yes, but they are going to fold a decent % of flops, and shove the other %. If you make it 4k with aces you are going to get flatted or reshoved on a larger % of the time gaining extra value. Because even though its 4k instead of 5.5k you get called a higher % of the time which is a higher +EV. (without me doing math here). And now you still have a pot sized shove and you can check/shove or bet/call we and get value from them hitting top pair, 2nd pair, draws, etc, when they would have normally folded pre-flop. This gets you the most value out of AA in this situation. You should be playing AQhh the same way. Although it has less value than aces, its still most likely ahead of their ranges and plays like aces. You want full value from your top 3%.

Looks good to me but I'd elect to 3bet a bit more to about 6215 so you have a little less than a psb to jam any flop if you're flatted.

Raise to 5500...... Jam any flop.... turn ace river Q.... collect chipsamortis =) I think just setting up yourself for a shove on any flop is gonna be your best play. SInce it is the late night 11r donkament, I imagine theres a lot of donks that will superflat here if your reraise is too small... and you're probably just gonna hate yourself when you see the JTo on the T63 board.... OWWIN!

i def think u played it fine, and like people said , if flatted ur gonna be gettin it in post flop, with these stacks and u bein in the bb oop as well i may flat here at times also