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Easy call, any comments on play on other streets?

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  1. sonicmatter sonicmatter is offline

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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 11:42am)

    About the third hand in I think. No stats on the players. Is this a easy call?

    Poker stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1840701
    The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

    LeoKezoJr (UTG+2): t3000 150 BBs
    fuzija (MP1): t2990 149.50 BBs
    Hero (MP2): t2970 148.50 BBs
    fluts13 (CO): t2780 139 BBs
    haibarbe (BTN): t3130 156.50 BBs
    DAZ072 (SB): t2980 149 BBs
    Kasek (BB): t3140 157 BBs
    AblettisGod (UTG): t3030 151.50 BBs
    slappyjack (UTG+1): t3000 150 BBs

    Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP2 with Qd Qc
    AblettisGod raises to t60, 3 folds, Hero raises to t140, 1 fold, haibarbe calls t140, 2 folds, AblettisGod calls t80

    Flop: (t450) Ks 2h 5s (3 players)
    AblettisGod checks, Hero bets t220, haibarbe calls t220, AblettisGod calls t220

    Turn: (t1110) Jh (3 players)
    AblettisGod bets t220, Hero calls t220, haibarbe calls t220

    River: (t1770) 3d (3 players)
    AblettisGod checks, Hero checks, haibarbe bets t2550 all in
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 2:02pm) in reply to sonicmatter

    An easy fold on the river. His line is very strong. He had tons of combos on his range that beat you and very little air. His line is quite bad but from experience youre rarely ahead here.
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 2:02pm) in reply to djdoodoo

    Raise more pre.
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 2:42pm) in reply to djdoodoo

    If this was mid/high stakes id say this is a play to confuse, but at these stakes this smells of a missed flush draw to me why would he shove if he's so strong, i think he sensed weakness and pounced.
    Edited By: alun Jul 31st, 2012 at 02:44 PM
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 3:39pm) in reply to alun

    Raise pre to 200. Bet closer to 70% of pot on flop (about 300-325).

    After 2 people flat a K high flop, I'd be over it with QQ. Sigh fold and find a better spot. As played, seems like a weird river bet but without reads can't really tell if its for value or as a bluff, so I'd probably just fold. I'm not really a big fan of hero calls at 10/20 blinds without solid reads.
    Edited By: tyson219 Jul 31st, 2012 at 03:39 PM
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 4:21pm) in reply to alun

     
    Originally Posted by alun View Post

    If this was mid/high stakes id say this is a play to confuse, but at these stakes this smells of a missed flush draw to me why would he shove if he's so strong, i think he sensed weakness and pounced.

    This is exactly what I thought, and was sure he'd play any Kx hand differently. Ok my raise pre could have been slightly more, and the same with the bet on the flop, there's as many reasons to keep it smaller though. Shove here is so weak imo
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 4:28pm) in reply to sonicmatter

    A weird line he took here for sure. At these low of stakes it is possible for him to be shoving a missed flush draw, but I would almost put him on As4s...he misses the flush draw and rivers the wheel. He's disguising his shove as a missed flush draw hoping his straight will get paid off by a hero call....
     
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 5:08pm) in reply to SorryImDrunk

     
    Originally Posted by SorryImDrunk View Post

    A weird line he took here for sure. At these low of stakes it is possible for him to be shoving a missed flush draw, but I would almost put him on As4s...he misses the flush draw and rivers the wheel. He's disguising his shove as a missed flush draw hoping his straight will get paid off by a hero call....

    If its not a missed flush draw its probably a4o i doubt he's even disguising his hand as a missed flush draw and just called flop/turn and got lucky on the river and shoved hoping one of the other 2 hero calls with a mediocre hand.
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 5:53pm) in reply to sonicmatter

     
    Originally Posted by sonicmatter View Post

    This is exactly what I thought, and was sure he'd play any Kx hand differently. Ok my raise pre could have been slightly more, and the same with the bet on the flop, there's as many reasons to keep it smaller though. Shove here is so weak imo

    FWIW, there's really no reason to keep it smaller. You have a premium hand in a low stakes MTT where players flat 3 bets way too wide. You want to make the 3b large to get value and get heads up so you dont have to play in a multi way pot. The flop bet should be larger to get value from draws and help you define opponents ranges.
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 6:28pm) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    FWIW, there's really no reason to keep it smaller. You have a premium hand in a low stakes MTT where players flat 3 bets way too wide. You want to make the 3b large to get value and get heads up so you dont have to play in a multi way pot. The flop bet should be larger to get value from draws and help you define opponents ranges.


    That makes more sense, thanks, working hard to improve my game at the moment, and first time I've posted here so thanks for all the replies.

    Are there any rules about posting results, not important i know, but if anyone wants i will.
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    Jul 31st, 2012 (7/31/2012 11:04pm) in reply to sonicmatter

    Did anyone call his shove or did you both fold.
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    Aug 1st, 2012 (8/1/2012 10:22am) in reply to alun

    Fyi, there's no rules against posting results. I would say it's probably encouraged.
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    Aug 1st, 2012 (8/1/2012 12:04pm) in reply to Tilted0o

    I called, they'd missed the flush draw.
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    Aug 1st, 2012 (8/1/2012 1:15pm) in reply to sonicmatter

     
    Originally Posted by sonicmatter View Post

    I called, they'd missed the flush draw.

    nice call sir
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    Aug 1st, 2012 (8/1/2012 2:32pm) in reply to alun

    I'd raise that turn..to say 700
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    Aug 2nd, 2012 (8/2/2012 2:11pm) in reply to Briplay

    Yeah I agree, a raise on the turn is prob better, especially as my thinking on the flop was I'm getting raised by almost and Kx hand, and with the bet on the turn maybe an AJ hand, with flush draw. So wanted to call to see a safe river, thought this was weak at the time.
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