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easy fold in DoN sng?

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  1. rexmundi1337 rexmundi1337 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2008 (11/7/2008 9:49pm)

    pokerstars Game #21849622918: Tournament #119094227, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/11/07 22:45:23 ET
    Table '119094227 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: rexmundi1337 (1370 in chips)
    Seat 2: HWPP (1255 in chips)
    Seat 3: 10810 (1620 in chips)
    Seat 4: bazaan (1320 in chips)
    Seat 5: alf1 (1370 in chips)
    Seat 6: ninja caz (760 in chips)
    Seat 7: PokerDude57 (2290 in chips)
    Seat 8: UncoolMan (1880 in chips)
    Seat 9: crk666 (1785 in chips)
    Seat 10: Keep Honking (1350 in chips)
    rexmundi1337: posts the ante 10
    HWPP: posts the ante 10
    10810: posts the ante 10
    bazaan: posts the ante 10
    alf1: posts the ante 10
    ninja caz: posts the ante 10
    PokerDude57: posts the ante 10
    UncoolMan: posts the ante 10
    crk666: posts the ante 10
    Keep Honking: posts the ante 10
    PokerDude57: posts small blind 50
    UncoolMan: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rexmundi1337 [9c 9d]
    crk666: folds
    Keep Honking: folds
    rexmundi1337: raises 200 to 300
    HWPP: raises 945 to 1245 and is all-in
    10810: folds
    bazaan: folds
    alf1: folds
    ninja caz: folds
    PokerDude57: folds
    UncoolMan: folds
    rexmundi1337: folds
    Uncalled bet (945) returned to HWPP
    HWPP collected 850 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 850 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: rexmundi1337 folded before Flop
    Seat 2: HWPP collected (850)
    Seat 3: 10810 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: bazaan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: alf1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: ninja caz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: PokerDude57 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: UncoolMan (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: crk666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 10: Keep Honking folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    read on villain: after 23 hands, he was 13.0/4.3
  2. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2008 (11/7/2008 11:44pm) in reply to rexmundi1337

    EASY Fold.

    I actually suggest that small medium pairs be played passively if at all with your stack size. You really don't have a stack to raise-fold with bb=100. A standard raise commits almost 25% of your stack. Probably should be in push-fold range with 13 to 14 bb.
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    Nov 9th, 2008 (11/9/2008 8:40am) in reply to rexmundi1337

    Easy call unless villain has been playing super-tight (I don't know what 13/4.3 means, I don't have these tracking programs, I just watch my opponents).

    You'll be racing here about 90% of the time against a regular opponent, you may even be way ahead of a lower pair.

    If you fold here and leave yourself with 1K chips, the best you can hope for is to get into a race and win so why not take the race now while you have more chips? Forget about trying to win the SNG without going to showdown. Not even one player has been eliminated yet and the Ms are really low. Sattelite strategy does not come into play yet.

    If you double here, you should have an 85 to 90% chance of winning the SNG if you use your big stack well.
  4. MastaP89 MastaP89 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2008 (11/9/2008 9:44am) in reply to ferrengi

    interesting spot..

    what would be better here open shoving or open folding? i dont think that anything else should be considered.

    i tend to open shove but i dunno know pretty early pos and stll 10 handed. i think 7 or 8 handed its a much clearer shove...
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  5. ferrengi ferrengi is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2008 (11/9/2008 2:47pm) in reply to MastaP89

    I like open shoving better than the 3x raise. As played, I think the OP has to call here.
  6. PocketRuners PocketRuners is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2008 (11/12/2008 1:33pm) in reply to ferrengi

    Open shove that and spare yourself the agony of the decision there. It's shove or fold pretty much, set mining costs too much of your stack so limp probably bad play as well
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    Nov 12th, 2008 (11/12/2008 4:20pm) in reply to rexmundi1337

    Open folding is pretty spewy here. If you are going to raise with 99 here, you have to be willing to get it in or just fold pre. Either raise call or shove pre, but folding here is bad.
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    Nov 13th, 2008 (11/13/2008 7:50am) in reply to moman1965

    open folding this hand is 100% acceptable, imo.

    How is folding "spewy"? What exactly are you spewing?
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    Nov 13th, 2008 (11/13/2008 12:39pm) in reply to BillMueller

     
    Originally Posted by BillMueller View Post

    open folding this hand is 100% acceptable, imo.

    How is folding "spewy"? What exactly are you spewing?

    You're missing an opportunity to pick some much needed chips.
    Perhaps spewy is not the right term.

    However, raise/folding is spewy.
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    Nov 13th, 2008 (11/13/2008 3:32pm) in reply to moman1965

     
    Originally Posted by moman1965 View Post

    Open folding is pretty spewy here. If you are going to raise with 99 here, you have to be willing to get it in or just fold pre. Either raise call or shove pre, but folding here is bad.

    Open folding and Raise/folding are two different things...
  11. BillMueller BillMueller is offline OT President

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    Nov 13th, 2008 (11/13/2008 3:37pm) in reply to ferrengi

    how "much needed" are these chips? I say that they are not that needed where we have to raise with nines in this spot.

    Personally, I fold this hand.
  12. ferrengi ferrengi is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2008 (11/13/2008 4:50pm) in reply to BillMueller

     
    Originally Posted by BillMueller View Post

    how "much needed" are these chips? I say that they are not that needed where we have to raise with nines in this spot.

    Personally, I fold this hand.

    The pot is 250 so OP has an M between 5 and 6. We haven't even taken into account that the blinds will go up in a couple of minutes to 75/150/20 and his M will be about 4.

    He is lucky enough to pick up a premium hand in 3rd position with 2 folds in front of him. Can he reasonably expect to find a better spot than this?
    If he lets this go, he'll probably be forced to make a move with a worse hand with a lower M. Maybe his position will be better and his opponents will fold to his push, but there can be no guarantee of that.

    If he pushes here, he can probably take down the pot without a fight 80 to 90% of the time. The times he does get called, he'll frequently be a slight favorite over AK or AQ.
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