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easy fold or should i get it in here?

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  1. hicks1784 hicks1784 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 4:30am)

    ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Absolute)
    Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 24, 04:12:41 ET 2010
    Table Tournament 5897269 Table 17 (Real Money)
    Seat 8 is the button
    Seat 2: Player2 ( $12511.00 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 7.0, Hands: 124
    Seat 3: Player3 ( $20756.00 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 4.2, Hands: 104
    Seat 4: Player4 ( $13304.00 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 85
    Seat 5: Player5 ( $1408.00 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 7, 3B: 6, AF: 0.0, Hands: 60
    Seat 6: Player6 ( $9586.00 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.7, Hands: 305
    Seat 8: Hero ( $40936.00 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2.8, Hands: 20398
    Player2 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
    Player3 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
    Player4 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
    Player5 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
    Player6 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
    Hero posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
    Player2 posts small blind [$250.00 USD].
    Player3 posts big blind [$500.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to Hero [ Kc As ]
    Player4 raises [$1250.00 USD]
    Player5 folds
    Player6 folds
    Hero calls [$1250.00 USD]
    Player2 raises [$5750.00 USD]
    Player3 folds
    Player4 folds
    Hero folds
    Player2 wins $4750.00 USD
    Player2 wins $4550.00 USD from main pot

    player 2 is a pretty solid player not gettin out of line often. So with 20bbs or so shouldnt a raise to 5750 here be viewed as super strong? Or do you guys think this is a spot where I shouldnt be folding ak?
    Edited By: hicks1784 Dec 25th, 2010 at 04:31 AM
  2. Jreezy1203 Jreezy1203 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 4:46am) in reply to hicks1784

    3 bet pre than call when he ships if he does
     
  3. eDaN eDaN is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 1:38pm) in reply to Jreezy1203

     
    Originally Posted by petedog424 View Post

    3 bet pre than call when he ships if he does

    wug? 82bb, easy flat imo, without reads and a certain dynamic getting AK in for 82bb is terribad
  4. Jreezy1203 Jreezy1203 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 5:57pm) in reply to eDaN

     
    Originally Posted by eDaN View Post

    wug? 82bb, easy flat imo, without reads and a certain dynamic getting AK in for 82bb is terribad

    with the effective stacks hes not risking 82 bbs bud hes risking more like 20. be aggresive and take control of the hand. id 3 bet leaving him enough room to shove and make a mistake. if you flat what happens when you miss and he c bets on dry boards, you muck. atleast if you raise, he calls, and the flop comes dry he likely checks to you alot of the time.. leaving you in control which is ultimately what you want am i right. terribad
     
  5. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 6:05pm) in reply to eDaN

     
    Originally Posted by eDaN View Post

    wug? 82bb, easy flat imo, without reads and a certain dynamic getting AK in for 82bb is terribad

    Terribad is not understanding effective stacks...I'm surprised at you, Dan. There's no way he can get it in for 82 BB when the next biggest stack is 40 BB.

    IMO, the only reason to smooth call here is to hope that someone tries to squeeze you out. I'm happy that Player 2 three-bet, so I can get it in with him. Folding here is awful when there's so much already in the pot. By the time Player 2 re-raises, there's 300 + 750 + 2500 = 3550 in the pot. So if you're playing for the entirety of Player 2's stack, you risking about 12200 to win almost 15800. You only need about 43% equity in the hand. So Player 2 has to have a range of QQ+ for this to be a fold.

    His range is obviously wider than that.
    Edited By: grapsfan Dec 25th, 2010 at 06:05 PM
  6. Jreezy1203 Jreezy1203 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 6:12pm) in reply to grapsfan

     
    Originally Posted by grapsfan View Post

    Terribad is not understanding effective stacks...I'm surprised at you, Dan. There's no way he can get it in for 82 BB when the next biggest stack is 40 BB.

    IMO, the only reason to smooth call here is to hope that someone tries to squeeze you out. I'm happy that Player 2 three-bet, so I can get it in with him. Folding here is awful when there's so much already in the pot. By the time Player 2 re-raises, there's 300 + 750 + 2500 = 3550 in the pot. So if you're playing for the entirety of Player 2's stack, you risking about 12200 to win almost 15800. You only need about 43% equity in the hand. So Player 2 has to have a range of QQ+ for this to be a fold.

    His range is obviously wider than that.

    thank you for bringing some common sense to this discussion
     
  7. teddykgb47 teddykgb47 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 10:59pm) in reply to Jreezy1203

    1+
  8. pvigar pvigar is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2010 (12/25/2010 11:23pm) in reply to teddykgb47

    I think you can easily 4-bet him, by the stats your tracker displayed he is a really loose player with high 3-bet percentages, he may easily be applying a steal on this hand. If he is stealing you may even take the pot pre-flop by forcing his all-in, and it is very likely that if he pushes you are in good shape dominating his hand most of the time or getting a coinflip for a really big pot.

    Of course there is the chance that you may have to face the first raiser if he's got a big hand.
  9. eDaN eDaN is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2010 (12/26/2010 3:24pm) in reply to grapsfan

     
    Originally Posted by grapsfan View Post

    Terribad is not understanding effective stacks...I'm surprised at you, Dan. There's no way he can get it in for 82 BB when the next biggest stack is 40 BB.

    IMO, the only reason to smooth call here is to hope that someone tries to squeeze you out. I'm happy that Player 2 three-bet, so I can get it in with him. Folding here is awful when there's so much already in the pot. By the time Player 2 re-raises, there's 300 + 750 + 2500 = 3550 in the pot. So if you're playing for the entirety of Player 2's stack, you risking about 12200 to win almost 15800. You only need about 43% equity in the hand. So Player 2 has to have a range of QQ+ for this to be a fold.

    His range is obviously wider than that.

    from my other posting you should know that I do know eff stacksizes, I simply misread the HH =)
  10. Jreezy1203 Jreezy1203 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2010 (12/26/2010 5:47pm) in reply to eDaN

     
    Originally Posted by eDaN View Post

    from my other posting you should know that I do know eff stacksizes, I simply misread the HH =)

    lol i dunno if you do.. in your other post you told some1 to 3 bet call with 40 bigs and aq.. lol alright
     
  11. hicks1784 hicks1784 is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2010 (12/26/2010 9:52pm) in reply to eDaN

    And thats why I decided to flat and play small ball preflop vs player 4 because if player for reraises me im gona have to fold ak to his jam
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  12. hicks1784 hicks1784 is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 3:41am) in reply to MapOfUrHead

    y?
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  13. Jreezy1203 Jreezy1203 is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2010 (12/27/2010 10:02pm) in reply to hicks1784

    gives you control of the hand. with 80 bigs and AK your looking to play aggresively and take people out. Id happily gets ak in with any1 under 30 bigs especially in a smaller stakes tournament
     
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