So...I've been the chip leader at the table for majority of the tourney, chip leader of tourney one point but top 10 at this point...Villain has been playing very LAG...opening a ton of hands, I've already 3 bet him light twice and he folded. IMO my read on villain is a tad swewy but a thinking player...here's how the hand went down...
Full Tilt Poker Game #10180898675: Turbo Fiddy (77056637), Table 41 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:42:09 ET - 2009/01/22
Seat 1: bigboybunk (2,790)
Seat 2: Sweetlivin (7,460)
Seat 3: LAGJEM (3,930)
Seat 4: The Hymenator (1,330)
Seat 5: krbwhitetiger (2,360)
Seat 6: ArgentinaBoy (1,290)
Seat 7: JustKLLinItQ (7,530)
Seat 8: MrQuist (5,245)
Seat 9: MXZ007 (5,040)
ArgentinaBoy posts the small blind of 100
JustKLLinItQ posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JustKLLinItQ [Kc Ad]
MrQuist folds
MXZ007 has 15 seconds left to act
MXZ007 folds
bigboybunk folds
Sweetlivin raises to 600
LAGJEM folds
The Hymenator folds
krbwhitetiger folds
ArgentinaBoy has 15 seconds left to act
ArgentinaBoy folds
JustKLLinItQ has 15 seconds left to act
JustKLLinItQ raises to 1,900
Sweetlivin raises to 7,460, and is all in

???? My thoughts on my 3-bet was to take the pot down pre and negate my obv disadvantage of being out of position...W/ his 4-bet shove this would be a $15k pot and chip lead with around 200 runners left... thoughts???? anyone????

 

Originally Posted by JustKLLinItQ

So...I've been the chip leader at the table for majority of the tourney, chip leader of tourney one point but top 10 at this point...Villain has been playing very LAG...opening a ton of hands, I've already 3 bet him light twice and he folded. IMO my read on villain is a tad swewy but a thinking player...here's how the hand went down...
Full Tilt Poker Game #10180898675: Turbo Fiddy (77056637), Table 41 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:42:09 ET - 2009/01/22
Seat 1: bigboybunk (2,790)
Seat 2: Sweetlivin (7,460)
Seat 3: LAGJEM (3,930)
Seat 4: The Hymenator (1,330)
Seat 5: krbwhitetiger (2,360)
Seat 6: ArgentinaBoy (1,290)
Seat 7: JustKLLinItQ (7,530)
Seat 8: MrQuist (5,245)
Seat 9: MXZ007 (5,040)
ArgentinaBoy posts the small blind of 100
JustKLLinItQ posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JustKLLinItQ [Kc Ad]
MrQuist folds
MXZ007 has 15 seconds left to act
MXZ007 folds
bigboybunk folds
Sweetlivin raises to 600
LAGJEM folds
The Hymenator folds
krbwhitetiger folds
ArgentinaBoy has 15 seconds left to act
ArgentinaBoy folds
JustKLLinItQ has 15 seconds left to act
JustKLLinItQ raises to 1,900
Sweetlivin raises to 7,460, and is all in

???? My thoughts on my 3-bet was to take the pot down pre and negate my obv disadvantage of being out of position...W/ his 4-bet shove this would be a $15k pot and chip lead with around 200 runners left... thoughts???? anyone????

3 bet folding here with AK is fundamentally bad, you are better off flatting and check raising flops then 3 bet folding. With that being said I rarely 3 bet here and have found my self flatting here alot of the time and playing tricky postflop, but I think many players might not be as comfortable in postflop situations like these as I am I dont know I seem to flat here and win the pot postflop alot of the time one way or another. However im sure 3 bet calling is neutral to +ev, I just can't ever see 3 bet folding ever being a good option here.

3bet/call ur gettin almost 2-1 to call with AK its really a no brainer once he comes back over u...

Listen, I know you are never supposed to results oriented...but I run like complete donkey shit (thats right, not even dog shit but donkey shit) in situations like this...I felt like his shove was reppin JJ+. Let's look at my options, fold pre...never...flat pre see a flop out of position...meh...three bet try to take down a nice little pot assuming he is folding to my three bet again...so, his 4-bet I call his shove with a drawing hand. HMMM....lets assume his range is 99+ so we be flipping for the chip lead or be a rail monkey....can I never fold and leave myself 23 BB's while I am comfortable playing this stack???? I don't think you can ever say this hand should be standard when each hand anew is mutally exclusive from the previous and next...I think whatever I decide to do is somewhat tricky and that is why asked for help. Take it FWIW, JQ

 

Originally Posted by JustKLLinItQ

 Listen, I know you are never supposed to results oriented...but I run like complete donkey shit (thats right, not even dog shit but donkey shit) in situations like this...I felt like his shove was reppin JJ+.  Let's look at my options, fold pre...never...flat pre see a flop out of position...meh...three bet try to take down a nice little pot assuming he is folding to my three bet again...so, his 4-bet I call his shove with a drawing hand.  HMMM....lets assume his range is 99+ so we be flipping for the chip lead or be a rail monkey....can I never fold and leave myself 23 BB's while I am comfortable playing this stack????  I don't think you can ever say this hand should be standard when each hand anew is mutally exclusive from the previous and next...I think whatever I decide to do is somewhat tricky and that is why asked for help.  Take it FWIW, JQ

you can't be comofortable playing ur status quo stack when levels move every 5 mins.

By gross spot do you mean easy spot?

its a turbo you cant fold any premium hands ever.

SOoooooooo results oriented. u said he is spewy and LAG, and now u say his 4-bet is JJ+? doesn't make sense, reraise to 1600-1800 and call shove. This is TURBO FIDDY. Wow /thread, don't mean to be a dick but like john said this is EASY SPOT. U lost a race, move on. Don't FOLD AK to a 4-bet LATE IN TURBO FIDDY.

 

Originally Posted by JustKLLinItQ

 

Originally Posted by siola

 

Originally Posted by JustKLLinItQ

Listen, I know you are never supposed to results oriented...but I run like complete donkey shit (thats right, not even dog shit but donkey shit) in situations like this...I felt like his shove was reppin JJ+. Let's look at my options, fold pre...never...flat pre see a flop out of position...meh...three bet try to take down a nice little pot assuming he is folding to my three bet again...so, his 4-bet I call his shove with a drawing hand. HMMM....lets assume his range is 99+ so we be flipping for the chip lead or be a rail monkey....can I never fold and leave myself 23 BB's while I am comfortable playing this stack???? I don't think you can ever say this hand should be standard when each hand anew is mutally exclusive from the previous and next...I think whatever I decide to do is somewhat tricky and that is why asked for help. Take it FWIW, JQ

you can't be comofortable playing ur status quo stack when levels move every 5 mins.

Blinds 100-200, fold leaves me 5600...23 BB's still above chip average and second in chips at table, even in a turbo, like I said totally comfortable playing this stack at this table against these players... "status quo", just hearing you say that is still making me LOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL'ing! JQ

PS, if you want to play heads up in a best of seven I have no problem, $10 on FTP if you would like...JQ

5600/200 = 28

don't re raise if you are not going to call. What was your intenion when u 3xed his bet other than getting it in? How is this even a post? My head hurts.

You should ship because BigBoyBunk will get your chips anyway.

 

Originally Posted by Ugottook420

lol at folding this hand in a turbo...

^^^^
EVERY-SINGLE-TIME

 

Originally Posted by JustKLLinItQ

My mistake with the blinds...lol...I'm an idiot, meant 28 obv...I guess what it comes down to is a very simple...I was running goot with a top 10 chip lead once again in a singifigant tourney, not just some $10 tourney, opponent makes a play with his 4-bet shove...nothing else, he was spewy but just like I said I had a read that he was an actual thinking player and his shove this time was a hand.

I have to call no matter what, I made every excuse in the book for myself in this post and hand...when there are no excuses in life and especially in poker...if I win this hand, maybe just maybe I can finally make a signifigant run and TID...but I lost the flip, and once again I am a loser that tries over and over to make a name for himself online w/ no success...how can I continue to act like I know how to play this game and give advice to others when I don't have any warrant, scores or results to back it up...maybe I might just be done with this game guys...5 long hard years trying to make this game work w/ not a gd thing to show for it besides a broken heart.

Sorry if this is lame but this hand and the literally hundreds that really really have not gone my way make me realize maybe the peices haven't fallen into place because well....maybe "it's just not in the stars." Like I said, good luck to all my p5'ers, I have learned so much just being a part of this site and maybe one day I'll come out of retirement, but for now, I'm heading under a rock and really don't know when I'll be out... JQ

Dude that's the worst attitude I've ever heard, and is probably the reason you haven't become the tourney player you want to be. Be positive. Believe you are going to win. Believe in your game, and always strive to improve it. You think all the great ones did not go through tough times before they broke out and separated themselves as one of the elite? Get your mental game in check, work on your poker game, and go crush some fucking fish's dreams!!!

Oh, and as far as the hand, easy 3 bet/call.

JQ u said he is laggy and that u have 3bet him twice pre. then u go and say "lets say his range is 99+, then Im flipping vs his range" no u r not, because his range is something like 77+, AJ+, KQ. maybe even wider. therefore u no this is a snapcall. rock's idea of flatting pre is fine in reg MTT's but in a turbo, 3bet/callshove is way better imo and far easier. u no this is a snapcall.