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End game differnce on FTP and Pstars?

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  1. swyyft swyyft is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 12:50pm)

    I have not been able to have nearly the same success I have had on FTP as I have on Pstars and I have made some changes and now I am starting to.

    I think the final tables on Pstars are always a lot deeper due to the slower later structures so the preflop play on FTP seems to be much more important. Am I wrong in thinking this?

    What is your strategy on one vs the other?
  2. LoudNoise LoudNoise is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 12:59pm) in reply to swyyft

     
    Originally Posted by swyyft View Post

    I have not been able to have nearly the same success I have had on FTP as I have on Pstars and I have made some changes and now I am starting to.

    I think the final tables on Pstars are always a lot deeper due to the slower later structures so the preflop play on FTP seems to be much more important. Am I wrong in thinking this?

    What is your strategy on one vs the other?

    this doesnt really answer anything but stars structure early has to be the worst evererererer.
  3. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 1:09pm) in reply to LoudNoise

    Yeah FTP u can sit and build ur stack but deep u might as well hope u can win flips like no other, or hold against 3 outers to shorties (which u never will)...stars u gotta gamble early and not let urself get too short or u'll never be able to double on that stupid site. But deep u can pick ur spots cuz you have deeper stacks. Nothing like playing for 10's of 1000's and being 30+bb deep and being 9/9. FTP the CL doesn't even have 30bb most of the time....

    Oh and fwiw, I don't win on ftp...I can't do shit on there to save my life...doubt it's even realistic to ship an mtt on there. FTP I sit and try to get a stack then deep hope for AA repeatedly and my 70/30s to hold twice in a row. Stars just hope you can flip early and build a stack. Attack the short stacks cuz we all know it's rigged for the bigger stacks.
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 1:12pm) in reply to swyyft

    i really think stars structure is better late. their blinds go up so incrementally. its something like 2k/4k, 2.5k/5k, 3k/6k, 3.5k/7k, 4k/8k whereas on full tilt it def seems to jump more rapidly by this stage.

    full tilt is def better early than stars though.

    idk i'll take a better late game structure over an early structure any day of the week.
     
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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 1:15pm) in reply to adamsapple19

    stars freezeout structure is shitty
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  6. 33mikemcg 33mikemcg is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 1:21pm) in reply to adamsapple19

     
    Originally Posted by adamsapple19 View Post

    i really think stars structure is better late. their blinds go up so incrementally. its something like 2k/4k, 2.5k/5k, 3k/6k, 3.5k/7k, 4k/8k whereas on full tilt it def seems to jump more rapidly by this stage.

    full tilt is def better early than stars though.

    idk i'll take a better late game structure over an early structure any day of the week.

    ^^^ Nail hit on the head!!!!
     
  7. swyyft swyyft is offline

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    Jul 15th, 2009 (7/15/2009 1:45pm) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post


    Yeah FTP u can sit and build ur stack but deep u might as well hope u can win flips like no other, or hold against 3 outers to shorties (which u never will)...stars u gotta gamble early and not let urself get too short or u'll never be able to double on that stupid site. But deep u can pick ur spots cuz you have deeper stacks. Nothing like playing for 10's of 1000's and being 30+bb deep and being 9/9. FTP the CL doesn't even have 30bb most of the time....

    Oh and fwiw, I don't win on ftp...I can't do shit on there to save my life...doubt it's even realistic to ship an mtt on there. FTP I sit and try to get a stack then deep hope for AA repeatedly and my 70/30s to hold twice in a row. Stars just hope you can flip early and build a stack. Attack the short stacks cuz we all know it's rigged for the bigger stacks.

    It seems to me the value of hands is skewed when its like this. 66-99 has way more value deep on FTP than it does on stars. Same with AJ/AT. These hands you need to be 3 betting and willing to get it all in with. Players are constantly 4 bet shoving hands like QT deep due to the fact so many players 3 bet marginally.

    Also the 15 minute late levels make a huge difference vs 12 minute levels.
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