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Ethical Dilemma (from a live game)

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  1. ship_it_cfb ship_it_cfb is offline

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    Jan 16th, 2010 (1/16/2010 9:29pm)

    I'll try to keep this short and sweet. I was playing in a live NLHE game earlier today at Venetian and was in the small blind. Our dealer had just come from the 8/16 Omaha Hi-Lo game and in one hand had already dealt half the players at the table 3 cards and had to kill the hand because it was a misdeal.

    I'm dealt 10c6h in the sb, and once again the dealer deals me a 3rd card. I let him know that he's dealt me 3 cards and he quickly grabs one off of the top of my hand (he did this very quickly and I had no clue which card he grabbed). Anyhow, someone opens the action to 4x and 4 people call. I now look down at my improved 8h6h and realize the dealer had inadvertently changed my hand for the better. I call the raise, whiff the flop and muck my hand. Essentially no harm done, and in all actuality his mix up lead to me putting in an extra 3.5bb into the pot.

    My question is: did I do something dishonest by playing a hand that actually wasn't supposed to be dealt to me? Did I angleshoot here? To be honest, I feel like I did but I'd like to get some of your opinions. In this situation my hand only improved marginally, but what if I had been dealt A8o and had it replaced with AA. And (hypothetically) now I'm in the small blind with an open and a 3 bet to me, should I muck in this spot. This last scenario is more a thought experiment than anything, but I feel like even though I know the right thing to do would be to inform the table of the dealer's error and muck my hand, but I honestly feel that in-game I'd just play my hand. Does that make me a scumbag?
     
  2. thefuture021 thefuture021 is offline

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    Jan 16th, 2010 (1/16/2010 9:31pm) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    Don't look at your hand until it's your turn to act and then you won't have to worry about feeling guilty.
  3. shadymoves shadymoves is offline

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    Jan 16th, 2010 (1/16/2010 9:35pm) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    dealer should have killed the hand when he dealt you the 3rd card...you did what you were supposed to do...he's a bad dealer...
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    Jan 16th, 2010 (1/16/2010 9:39pm) in reply to shadymoves

    just say youve already looked at your cards and the hand will get redealt
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    Jan 16th, 2010 (1/16/2010 9:56pm) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    opened this thread expecting it to be about whether spitting on someone while playing is ethically ok

    was sadly disappointed
  6. ship_it_cfb ship_it_cfb is offline

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    Jan 16th, 2010 (1/16/2010 9:58pm) in reply to thefuture021

     
    Originally Posted by thefuture021 View Post

    Don't look at your hand until it's your turn to act and then you won't have to worry about feeling guilty.

    Good point.
     
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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 2:09am) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    Carma n (elecktra) is a biatch hot but a biatch
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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 2:47am) in reply to shadymoves

     
    Originally Posted by shadymoves View Post

    dealer should have killed the hand when he dealt you the 3rd card...you did what you were supposed to do...he's a bad dealer...

     
  9. Faded TV Faded TV is offline

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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 3:29am) in reply to shadymoves

     
    Originally Posted by shadymoves View Post

    he's a bad dealer...

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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 9:55am) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    I can't believe in a live game in the small blind you knew both your cards before this 3rd card came.
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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 10:01am) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    No problem just flip all 3 face up and call for misdeal.......
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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 10:16am) in reply to ship_it_cfb

    Does that make me a scumbag?

    think the dealer put you in a bad spot but would you do it differently if it happened again? think that's your answer.
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    Jan 17th, 2010 (1/17/2010 11:07am) in reply to Riverhorse

    i love the venetian
     
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