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Is this + EV Spot?

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  1. 7woody7 7woody7 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:32pm)

    This is hand from live tourney this weekend. $350 buyin, 419 runners, top 45 get paid. Roughly 25 left and blinds are 3000/6000 with 1000 ante. Average stack is $120K and lots of push/fold going on.

    Here's the hand:

    8 players @ table so $17K in pot. Everyone left to act is pretty tight. In the CO w/ KcJc and $110K stack and folds around.

    Is preflop jam profitable?
    Edited By: 7woody7 Nov 15th, 2010 at 09:34 PM
  2. Moonlight Graham Moonlight Graham is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:34pm) in reply to 7woody7

    yes
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:40pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

    To answer this its pretty important to know stack sizes of button, sb, bb. Could definitely just be a spot to raise fold though since live players usually aren't getting out of line here preflop. You can definitely make more here in the long run raise folding as long as players left to act aren't showing resistance, seems like calling ranges here crush you for that large of a shove in a live mtt.
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:42pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

     
    Originally Posted by patthecat35 View Post

    yes

    +1
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:43pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

     
    Originally Posted by rainmanrcp View Post

    To answer this its pretty important to know stack sizes of button, sb, bb. Could definitely just be a spot to raise fold though since live players usually aren't getting out of line here preflop. You can definitely make more here in the long run raise folding as long as players left to act aren't showing resistance, seems like calling ranges here crush you for that large of a shove in a live mtt.

    Button = $200K
    SB = $250K
    BB = $100K
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:43pm) in reply to 7woody7

    ya id probably raise fold.
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:45pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

     
    Originally Posted by rainmanrcp View Post

    ya id probably raise fold.

    I agree and would be my line. Wasn't my hand, but still curious to see if there's any arguement for jamming.
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 9:47pm) in reply to Gthezgeniusa

    rain brings up good points, but still think its a shove no matter what when your increasing your stack about 15% with an above average hand, and if you get called your only killed by AJ, AK, KQ, JJ+..
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 10:28pm) in reply to Gthezgeniusa

     
    Originally Posted by Gthezgeniusa View Post

    rain brings up good points, but still think its a shove no matter what when your increasing your stack about 15% with an above average hand, and if you get called your only killed by AJ, AK, KQ, JJ+..

    If your table image is tight, or the players left to act are tight then I like a raise to 15000 and can fold to a shove. To answer your question I think the answer is yes it is profitable, but probably not optimal. Depending on your skill level, the skill level of the players to act and the table dynamic.
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    Nov 15th, 2010 (11/15/2010 10:50pm) in reply to monteaz

     
    Originally Posted by monteaz View Post

    If your table image is tight, or the players left to act are tight then I like a raise to 15000 and can fold to a shove. To answer your question I think the answer is yes it is profitable, but probably not optimal. Depending on your skill level, the skill level of the players to act and the table dynamic.


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