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Is it ever correct to fold AA preflop?

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  1. AR1ch AR1ch is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2009 (9/1/2009 8:01pm)

  2. Salamander0 Salamander0 is offline

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    Sep 1st, 2009 (9/1/2009 8:49pm) in reply to AR1ch

    in qualifiers, yes for sure. besides that tho not really. i think there is an argument out there to fold aces preflop if everbody else at the table goes allin or something. but really id never fold aces preflop, even on money bubbles. dont do it.
     
  3. dannyg1989 dannyg1989 is offline

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    Sep 2nd, 2009 (9/2/2009 6:24am) in reply to AR1ch

    also there was a post in PD and few months back that showed a decent tourney player (cant remember who) foldin aces with a tiiiiiiiny stack 2mins before the break in a 1R1A tournament so he could get the add-on
  4. cburnette cburnette is offline

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    Sep 2nd, 2009 (9/2/2009 7:28am) in reply to AR1ch

    I believe that the correct answer, technically, is yes. Example, you are on the bubble of a satelite (sp) tourney to the main event ($10k). There will be 30 winners and there are 31 left. Several shorties. Since everybody gets paid the same $, and you only need one more player to be eliminated for the seat, I believe it would be correct to fold.

    I have had one occasion where I ALMOST folded AA pre. At the WSOP this year in the 1.5k limit tourney, on the money bubble (65 spots paid with 73 left, I believe) Blind had just gone up and people were dropping like flies. ZeeJustin was on my right. He had been waffle crushing my BB all frickin day. Folds around to him and he raises for the 100th time. I look down at the weapons of mass destruction, AA.

    I thought, I can fold here and 95% make my first WSOP cash in 7 years. (I have only played 8 or 9 events, money bubbled 4 of them) Let me just fold these aces, take a smoke break and I am in the money. But...... I convinced myself that I was here to win not just cash so, of course I popped him back and the raising war was on. By the time we got to the river, I was beat (2 outter obv) Wasnt out but my big stack was now a little stack, we capped on almost every street but the river where I c/c, due to an obsurd board texture. (Next orbit, we went to war again where my 1010 was crushed by his KK, sb v. bb, again and I'm out)

    Dont know if it was the right play or not, but I wish I was good enough to lay those aces down in that instance.
    Good players can lay down any hand in the right situation and big hand laydowns are critical to being a really good player, IMO.

    GL

    cb
  5. armymedik1 armymedik1 is offline

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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 3:49am) in reply to AR1ch

    Cereal??? Hell no, why are you even playing if your asking if you should fold AA preflop..never ever ever ever ever i dont care if its the bubble of the main event( you play to win, not cash) Jesus, let me get em if you dont want em.......
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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 6:01am) in reply to armymedik1

    ive actually did it last week and it worked out...i was in second place of a double or nothing with six players left and there were three all ins infront of me (all with smaller stacks than me)...so all i needed was for one to bust and i was in the money.

    so i folded and sure enough, one busted. the worst case scenario from my play is that someone was left with a really small stack and two players gained chips...but then i figured that other player would get blinded out and i could just afk with my big stack.

    other than this and satellites tho, i really dont think i would ever fold aa
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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 8:02am) in reply to AR1ch

    The answer is yes and no....dependant on what is +EV if in a satielite there are tonnes of short stacks on the bubble and someone who has u covered in the SB shoves ur BB and your equity in a seat is higher than the odds your aces have to beat any random cards then you fold...

    As for a normal tournament money bubble or not then I would never fold aces, To fold aces pre to a single raise to make the money is pretty weak....get your money in with the best hand if you get cracked you get cracked thats poker.
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    Sep 4th, 2009 (9/4/2009 12:37pm) in reply to Buckers_07

     
    Originally Posted by Buckers_07 View Post

    The answer is yes and no....dependant on what is +EV if in a satielite there are tonnes of short stacks on the bubble and someone who has u covered in the SB shoves ur BB and your equity in a seat is higher than the odds your aces have to beat any random cards then you fold...

    As for a normal tournament money bubble or not then I would never fold aces, To fold aces pre to a single raise to make the money is pretty weak....get your money in with the best hand if you get cracked you get cracked thats poker.

    This +1
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    Sep 5th, 2009 (9/5/2009 8:52pm) in reply to AR1ch

    I folded AA the other day preflop. It was a $10 rebuy satty to the 1st WCOOP event, with 28 players left and 26 seats. I had over aveage stack with about 6 bb's and there was 6 ppl left with under 1 big blind. There was a big stack @ table (over 12 bb's) who was jamming any 2, so i mucked AA to the jam as I could easily guarantee my seat by folding.

    Very rare spot, but it is on occasion correct.
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    Sep 6th, 2009 (9/6/2009 9:23am) in reply to AR1ch

    Sklansky mentions this one (or a very similar example) in his book on tournament poker:

    Suppose you are at the final table, 4 players left, you are second in chips, and look down at AA. The chip leader raises and the other two players go all in, both of whom have slightly less chips than you do and are tied in chips. If you fold you are guaranteed to move up a spot, maybe $20k or more on the line if you do, so all you have to do is fold. He says that unless you will settle for nothing more than winning the tourney, the correct thing to do here is fold.
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