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Originally Posted by CJDeman

As you say, he got you to put in 60bbs so I wouldnt say flatting here is terrible

yes, yes it is.

 

Originally Posted by CzechItDown

Doubt I raise this size pf and stick in 60 bigs pre with JJ.

That said you're still screwed when the flop comes low if you flat and play post-flop poker.

huh? OP didn't open, he jammed over a raiser and 2 callers.

 

Originally Posted by cbo smooth

does he ever have AK, 10 10 here, flatting there with AA just seemed so bad that i didnt think he had it, but putting in 60ish bb's is just bad no?

Full Tilt Poker Game #22818811828: $7,500 Rush Guar (Rebuy) (176049450), Table 116 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 02:01:04 ET - 2010/08/04
Seat 1: accu1122 (144,450)
Seat 2: PIRACICABA_BR (252,190)
Seat 3: cbo smooth (151,454)
Seat 4: AceofSpartan (220,540)
Seat 5: MoLaRio (5,867)
Seat 6: JSH1991 (250,459)
Seat 7: veracruz103 (274,144)
Seat 8: FLOX NOX (212,662)
Seat 9: G2369 (277,936)
accu1122 antes 300
PIRACICABA_BR antes 300
cbo smooth antes 300
AceofSpartan antes 300
MoLaRio antes 300
JSH1991 antes 300
veracruz103 antes 300
FLOX NOX antes 300
G2369 antes 300
PIRACICABA_BR posts the small blind of 1,200
cbo smooth posts the big blind of 2,400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cbo smooth [Jc Jh]
AceofSpartan folds
MoLaRio has 8 seconds left to act
MoLaRio raises to 5,567, and is all in
JSH1991 raises to 8,734
veracruz103 calls 8,734
FLOX NOX folds
G2369 folds
accu1122 folds
PIRACICABA_BR calls 7,534
cbo smooth has 15 seconds left to act
cbo smooth raises to 57,600
JSH1991 folds
veracruz103 raises to 273,844, and is all in
PIRACICABA_BR folds
cbo smooth has 15 seconds left to act
cbo smooth has requested TIME
cbo smooth calls 93,554, and is all in
veracruz103 shows [Ah Ad]
cbo smooth shows [Jc Jh]
MoLaRio shows [Th 9s]
Uncalled bet of 122,690 returned to veracruz103
*** FLOP *** [7h 8s 2h]
*** TURN *** [7h 8s 2h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [7h 8s 2h Qc] [6h]
veracruz103 shows a pair of Aces
cbo smooth shows a pair of Jacks
veracruz103 wins the side pot (297,508) with a pair of Aces
MoLaRio shows a straight, Ten high
MoLaRio wins the main pot (30,535) with a straight, Ten high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 328,043 Main pot 30,535. Side pot 297,508. | Rake 0
Board: [7h 8s 2h Qc 6h]
Seat 1: accu1122 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: PIRACICABA_BR (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: cbo smooth (big blind) showed [Jc Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: AceofSpartan folded before the Flop
Seat 5: MoLaRio showed [Th 9s] and won (30,535) with a straight, Ten high
Seat 6: JSH1991 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: veracruz103 showed [Ah Ad] and won (297,508) with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: FLOX NOX folded before the Flop
Seat 9: G2369 folded before the Flop

Had near identical hand on stars last night but the guy who flatted after two players(ona all in one call) had kk instead. I pushed 35bbs in the bb with qq and the one hand I was near certain had weaker hand flips that over. Just shake head, take notes on him and close it. Then bustod from nice stacks in every other mtt with sh it luck. Nice night. Wp gg me

 

Originally Posted by RUBINH

yes, yes it is.

Disagree. I like the flat for 2 reasons:
- it gives the guy who min-raised the chance to spazz out on the flop
- with so much money in the pot, it can induce a squeeze from behind, which is what happened here.

Of course you have to be prepared to give up on the flop if it backfires and you get 5 callers and a crappy flop, you only lose 8,000 chips in that instance, compared to winning $150k when the play works.

 

Originally Posted by RUBINH

with 40k in the pot this jam is super-standard

Why do you keep saying he 'jammed'..???
He raised 24.5bb's, leaving around 3/5th's of his stack behind.

yeah what mafinest said, you can pop it to around 24K and then possibly fold to a reshove from the flatters. no need to just put in 50k, i think it kills all value from ahnds ur beating and basically makes it that you cant get away from your hand.

 

Originally Posted by RUBINH

yes, yes it is.

No, no its not. And op didn't jam.

Also, I'd leave out results for a bit next time so you don't get any results oriented posts. Might've gotten a decent discussion of backraise ranges...

 

Originally Posted by BigDShaggyJ

I've noticed there are groups of ppl who raise every hand, some who 3 bet with extremely high frequencies to exploit these raisers and quite a # of ppl have caught on and just flat the original raise w/ KK and AA cuz they are getting reraised behind like 50%+ of the time. I think i'm def r/f here pre and never stacking off in this spot

I've made the same obsevations, people definantly caught on to the frequent raising, especially people raising in good position get 3bet all day