<span>EDITTED FOR LEGIBILITY</span>

In December 2003, a team of players from Wichita started a ring of collusion. These players include <span>NUBaseball04</span>, <span>HuskerRed</span>, <span>brokedikdog8</span>, <span>albtili19 </span>and some others. One night, <span>albtili19 </span>confessed to me that he was indeed <span>NUBaseball04 </span>and was multiaccounting.

There were many players who reported this group. In January or February 2004, it seemed like PokerRoom had dealt with the problem, as multiple Wichita accounts had been closed, and/or disallowed to play with each other any more. Why these players IP addresses were not permanently blocked is a mystery. It would have helped prevent the following problem.

The $100-100 game in question with Daniel Negreanu included players named <span>BeanZo_</span> and <span>91ilitbla</span> (a reversal of the name <span>albtili19</span>). Both of these players (or single player) are from Wichita. Both opened their original accounts within three weeks of each other, and have continued opening accounts at PokerRoom and OnGame skin sites on a regular basis.

Current Accounts in Question:
<span>albtili19 Jul 26, 2003</span>
<span>91ilitbla</span> Date Unknown (a BetOnBet account)

<span>BeanZo_</span> Date Unknown
<span>BeanZo Aug 19, 2003</span>
beanzo x Aug 15, 2004
beanzo1 Sep 25, 2004

Original Wichita Team Members:
Nubaseball Jul 9, 2003
nubaseball01 Jul 9, 2003
nubaseball02 Jul 9, 2003
NUbaseball04 Feb 27, 2003
nubaseball06 Jul 10, 2003
nubaseball07 Jul 10, 2003
nubaseball08 Jul 10, 2003
nubaseball09 Jul 11, 2003
nubaseball10 Jul 11, 2003
nubaseball11 Jul 11, 2003
NUbaseball17 Jan 25, 2005
nubaseball24 Jul 15, 2003
NUbaseball4 Feb 27, 2003
NUbaseball99 Jul 11, 2005
NUbaseballO4 Dec 26, 2004

brokedikdog8 Jan 8, 2004

HuskerRed Jul 25, 2003
HuskerRed1 Jun 7, 2004
HuskerRed94 Feb 17, 2004

A close look at account details (dates, names, addresses, etc.) and playing histories of these players will reveal everything that needs to be known. They are all (most likely) funded from the same NETeller account.

Since we don't have access to OnGame's data, the question that skeptical and analytical people such as yourself need to be asking is... How likely is it that (a) TWO players from Wichita, (b) who originally signed up within three weeks of eachother in 2003, (c) were able to develop the skills, (d) and the bankroll, to (e) play the biggest games online (f) together at the same table. This combination of factors is beyond cooincidence and circumstance. Especially considering that foul play was previously an issue.

In December 2003, a team of players from Wichita started a ring of collusion. These players include NUBaseball04, HuskerRed, brokedikdog8, albtili19 and some others.
One night, albtili19 confessed to me that he was indeed NUBaseball04 and was multiaccounting. There were many players who reported this group. In January or February 2004, it seemed like PokerRoom had dealt with the problem, as multiple Wichita accounts had been closed, and/or disallowed to play with each other any more.
Why these players IP addresses were not permanently blocked is a mystery. It would have helped prevent the following problem. The game in question with Daniel Negreanu included players named BeanZo_ and 91ilitbla (a reversal of the name albtili19). Both of these players (or single player) are from Wichita. Both opened their original accounts within three weeks of each other, and have continued opening accounts at PokerRoom and OnGame skin sites on a regular basis.
Current Accounts in Question: albtili19 Jul 26, 2003 91ilitbla Date Unknown (a BetOnBet account) BeanZo_ Date Unknown BeanZo Aug 19, 2003 beanzo x Aug 15, 2004 beanzo1 Sep 25, 2004 Original Wichita Team Members: Nubaseball Jul 9, 2003 nubaseball01 Jul 9, 2003 nubaseball02 Jul 9, 2003 NUbaseball04 Feb 27, 2003 nubaseball06 Jul 10, 2003 nubaseball07 Jul 10, 2003 nubaseball08 Jul 10, 2003 nubaseball09 Jul 11, 2003 nubaseball10 Jul 11, 2003 nubaseball11 Jul 11, 2003 NUbaseball17 Jan 25, 2005 nubaseball24 Jul 15, 2003 NUbaseball4 Feb 27, 2003 NUbaseball99 Jul 11, 2005 NUbaseballO4 Dec 26, 2004 brokedikdog8 Jan 8, 2004 HuskerRed Jul 25, 2003 HuskerRed1 Jun 7, 2004 HuskerRed94 Feb 17, 2004

A close look at account details (dates, names, addresses, etc.) and playing histories of these players will reveal everything that needs to be known. They are all (most likely) funded from the same NETeller account. Since we don't have access to OnGame's data, the question that skeptical and analytical people such as yourself need to be asking is... How likely is it that (a) TWO players from Wichita, (b) who originally signed up within three weeks of eachother in 2003, (c) were able to develop the skills, (d) and the bankroll, to (e) play the biggest games online (f) together at the same table. This combination of factors is beyond cooincidence and circumstance. Especially considering that foul play was previously an issue.

Has Negreanu ever commented on this? How much did they take him for?

yahboohoo, i would play with these guys...

other names they used-

LiVeWiRe
Quicksandx

These guys are all really the same or a team? Quicksand and Livewire are also abilit91 and beanzo and brokdikdog and huskerred and nubaseball? Finkle/Einhorn? Einhorn/Finkle? Beanzo just won the last big PR promotion for most rake lol. I don't believe in McCarthyism and innocent until proven guilty and all that... however ... These guy(s) are a few of the small # of players who play the big cash game on Ongame network... Pretty serious allegations that I hope are sorted out soon for all involved.

Yeah yahboohoo these days it seems that the only times cheaters get caught and we know about it are when the players proactively find the cheating and report it loud enough that the sites notice. Perhaps the sites are catching 100 cheaters a day... if this is so it would serve them well to let us know how secure their sites are by showing their successes. As it is, all that we, as players, can reasonably assume, is that the only time cheaters are caught is when players rat on other players. This can be a dangerous strategy for the sites to take, however these days that seems like the ONLY way that people are caught cheating. Even though I hate witch hunts the sites don't seem to be giving us a choice.

Where is this information from? References please?

i know for a fact that beanzo altbili livewire quicksand brokedikdog nubaseball quicksandx...are all between 18-23 go to school in whichita and are the same couple people.

A player name irishcurve86 who also plays in the $100-100 games has the following response: "I got many messages asking why i was hiding and not responging. Sorry i was playing 50-50 nl then went to bed. I know 91 and beanzo/quicksand personally. Went to the casino with them . We have vaguely spoke of the incident and i dont know all the details or care to indulge what i do know. The facts are that i will never say ne thing regarding them. IF they would like to they an if they feel so obliged. I know that i would sit at a 3 handed table with the 2 of them and have no fear of cheating. THey rarely for one thing ever play at the same tables. Beanzo is moreof a 50-50 100-100 nl player while 91litibia hands around 20-20 and sometimes 50-50. So you rarely see them on the same table. You might want to do a little research into X65 and Hoppas maybe you will something nice. Next I oculd really care less what you guys have to say about my atttude. My view is that yahboohoo is getting angry about a game he doesn't even play and the people concerned aren't bc they dont see anything. Maybe there is osmehting maybe there isn't. I see it as would u quit playing for your college baseball team bc the pros use juice? No. Just because its one incident your running from online poker, doesn't make much sense i guess. Ya cheating occurs, but i have seen it at the casino as well."

Marvin during that king of the ring promo that Beanzo won, i belive fisherman took 2nd and stacknchips took 3rd. I sat there and watched LiVeWirE dump off HUUUUGE pots to BeanZo. Now if I re-call coorectly the winner of the king of the ring promo meant that you had to spend the most amount of hours at the tables and also win the biggest pots. i AM 100% sure that LiVeWiRe was dumping to BeanZo on sevreal occasions. Then they pretended to have a discussion after Benazo won a $6,000 pot of Livwire. Beanzo raised Livewire reraised...Beanzo pushed for like 8k and livewire called. Beanzo won and showed A-K and livewire showed J-4. Aftre the habd was over they pretended to have a heated discussion about the hand, where LiVeWirE said it was a misclick and he wanted his money back. BeanZo said tough shit and left the table. This happend on several occasions.

yeah crazy shit, beanzo won 50k cause of it

I believe you folks are starting to see the light. When you can make $50,000 dumping $10,000 pots back and forth (with a little money wrangling through NETeller), and can make $10,000-30,000 in a single session, you get a clear sense of WHY someone would do this. You'd THINK these people would be smarter about this, but greed often goes hand-in-hand with stooopididy.

Apparently not a big deal unless it involves a ranked P5er.

Squeeky wheels get greased...

Here is irishcurve's story about what "he knows". He has met --in person-- albtili19/91ilitbla and BeanZo. He confirms the heart of these accusations. And each time he opens his mouth, new light is shed on the discussion:

http://www.pokerroom.com/pokah/forum...dNumber=134866

It is fascinating to watch his story migrate from denial to concern.