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EXPECTED ROI NIGHTLY IN NL CASH GAMES

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  1. No Limit Pro No Limit Pro is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:18pm)

    Just got a question for fellow grinders who play 50cent/ 1 $, 1/2 - 3/6 nl on a daily basis. What do you guys average daily over a period of a months grind, or a year... responses from high level grinders are also appreciated..
  2. Epiphany86 Epiphany86 is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:25pm) in reply to No Limit Pro

    My sample is not huge, only 30k hands or so in 2+ months, but $585/day playing 1/2 PLO and NL. Primarily PLO. Seeing as how I usually play 2-4 tables and play 4-6 hours a day. We'll settle on the average amount of 5 hours a day, which means I have been making $117/hr.
  3. No Limit Pro No Limit Pro is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:32pm) in reply to Epiphany86

    what do you use to keep your statistics or sample sizes Pokertracker?
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  4. niksev13 niksev13 is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:34pm) in reply to No Limit Pro

    Did you pay everyone back?
  5. jaywks jaywks is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:34pm) in reply to Epiphany86

    I don't believe that $117/hr is a long term realistic win rate, especially if you're playing $1/2, and playing between 2-4 tables.

    Very good cash game players can expect a long term winrate of about 5ptbb/100. So if you're playing 4 tables at about 80 hands/hr/table, You can expect about $2*2*5*4*.8 = $64/hr. This assumes that for the most part you're destroying the competition and that you're one of the top regulars in the stakes that you're playing.
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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:37pm) in reply to jaywks

    what does pt stand for in ptb
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  7. Epiphany86 Epiphany86 is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:38pm) in reply to No Limit Pro

    For Hold em I like POffice more. For Omaha PTracker.
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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:44pm) in reply to jaywks

    I disagree. First of all this is 6max. I dont play full ring. You are getting in 100-120 hands per hr. I believe it is attainable. Very good cash players can make 10-20bb/100. Fwiw my bb/100 in Nl is 14.7 but with only 5400 hands, and my PLO bb/100 for 18500 hands at 1/2 is 21.2. I think you are failing to realize how soft PLO is and adjusting your numbers for it.

    And yes your last statement is true. I feel there are 3 other players that are close to me skill wise at 1/2 PLo on FTP. Stats back that up.
  9. jaywks jaywks is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:51pm) in reply to Epiphany86

    My numbers are for 6max games. Looking at all the PLO 6max games on Full tilt the numbers range from 60-90 hands/hour. There's no way that you can expect to get 100+ hands/hr in PLO. For 6max NLHE on tilt, you can get 100+ hands/hr.

    FYI, you can't expect to converge on your long term winrate with only 5400 hands in NL, and 18500 hands in omaha. You need over 100k+ to be able to make any sort of long term estimation.

    1ptbb = 2bb.
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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 7:54pm) in reply to jaywks

    I agree my sample is small. I have had downswings almost daily, its not upswing variance I'll tell you that. My NL sample is meaningless I agree. You're right on the hands per hour. However, 1/2 PLO is 100X more aggressive then in NL. Hence why on any given day I'll usually be down 3 BI at some point before profiting on the day. Stacks go in left and right while in NL its not near as aggressive at these limits.
  11. No Limit Pro No Limit Pro is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 8:00pm) in reply to No Limit Pro

    can one of you guys explain this PTbb thingy plz.
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  12. TClermont TClermont is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 8:09pm) in reply to No Limit Pro

    poker tracker records your win rate as big bets, not big blinds. So, 1 PTbb = 2 big blinds at the level you're playing.
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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 8:10pm) in reply to No Limit Pro

    poker tracker big bets per 100 hands. It was initially for limit holdem so big bet = 2 big blinds.
     
  14. garage13 garage13 is offline

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    Sep 26th, 2007 (9/26/2007 9:30pm) in reply to jaywks

    yeh 50-200/hr
    for 4-8 tabling..
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